Tax the rich

Quote from Cesko:

By the 17th century slaves could be purchased in Africa for about $25 and sold in the Americas for about $150. After the slave-trade was declared illegal, prices went much higher. Even with a death-rate of 50 per cent, merchants could expect to make tremendous profits from the trade.

Does it answer your question?? Again simple economics. They were bought "wholesale" in Africa so to speak.

I never said they were not mistreated, I said they were not mistreated frivolously as you suggested (....on daily basis)
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Nevertheless, if we agree tha the cargo was so valuable than why not deliver 100% of the goods instead of only 50%? After all would it be OK to lose 50% of an uranium shipment from South Africa on each run and then argue that since the stuff is so expensive, it does not really mater as long as there is profit at the end of the trip. If you were to run a company in this way, I guarantee you, you would be out of the job in no time.

If working for freeand being in chains every day is not being mistreated on daily basis then you are right. I mean if you get raped by the master once every two weeks that in your way of thinking wouldn't constitute mistreatment on daily basis. Being a little bit depressed in between the rapes somehow escaped your logic I presume?
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Put the populations of Sweden or Germany in the US and they would do even better. Socialism can work, if not flourish, in countries with homogeneous populations who share common values, like work, honesty,etc. It can never work where half the population expects the other half to support them.
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If you think Germany or Sweden is homogeneous then you have not been to either country lately. Both have a large non-native populations and are still doing rather well. Just to quote some #s: Sweden has 1 million foreign born people out of a population of 9 million. That is more than 10% of the population. How do you like them cookies?


Germany: 75 million people and 7 million immigrants = 9 % of the population.
 
Quote from FightTheFuture:

It might be an idea to ask a lot of very successful or at least satisfied Americans, black, white, etc., as to the secret of their success. I bet they won't say it's because of higher taxes, or government programs.

Is it materialism that you are concerned about? Should more be given to the poor other than something adequate? Should the poor be given iPods, $100 tennis shoes, a $35K car because others have all that? I am poor and quite happy with it. I do not have an iPod, nor do I want one. I have never had a pair of $100 shoes, more like $20 shoes that are more than good enough. I do, however, own a $500, 16 year old truck with 237,000 miles on it. I don't care if I ever have a new vehicle again. I don't care about possessions. I've been on medical leave for 5 years with no assistance from anyone or anything, nor am I expecting it. I did not even attempt to apply for Disincentive Social INsecurity Disability Benefits. How's all that as an incentive to become healthy and successful?

All of us are descendants of slaves, yet almost 30 million people are in slavery today. You seem to care so much about slavery. What is it that you are doing for the slaves of today?

If you want to be successful, trade your wishbone for a backbone and get to work. Don't bother waiting around for the government to help you. The government will not make you happy, and equally wealthy to those that have more than you, because someone will always be better off than you. The best thing that any country's government can do for its people is to provide a less restrictive environment to make it easier for all to become more successful.
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You sound like a fellow from a documentary about Appalachia I watched some time ago. This fella had no front teeth, looked like a homeless bum, his house (if you could call that a house), OK his dwellings looked like some refugee hut and all he was able to present was his admiration for good old USA and his distaste for social programs that "make people weak". Mind you his vocabulary was shall we say not the most sophisticated which was probably due to the high quality education his beloved country bestowed upon him. I have not witnessed this kind of neglect even in the most forgotten parts of Romania. But boy was he proud! In the meantime Newt G. and the district he comes from receives the greatest amount of tax dollars in the country and GWII had cut 1 trillion in taxes for the super rich. Oh yes they need all the help from uncle Sam.
So keep being proud and living a third world life in the country where the rich shop for $2 million dildos.
 
Quote from saxon22:


1. superb education - finishing high school would be equivalent to receiving a MA degree in the USA - trust me I know I have been lecturing for past 13 years and the level of knowledge of most US students is laughable and shameful.
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This is a joke right? Because if it's not, then you are talking out of your ass.
 
Quote from saxon22:

Just look at the inner cities, the average wealth of black people in the US as opposed to white. Look at the Mississippi delta and the south in general. There are still a lot of poor folks living there.
There are many publications linking slavery with current conditions of black people in this country.

Slaver only ended 130 years ago (more or less). However, legal segregation only ended around 40 years ago, and one could very well make an argument that it still continues today.

Funny, how it is OK for people to make statements like: " Slavery was a long time ago. If one is not over it yet then it is time
to get over it." and think nothing of it.
I wonder how would people react if you would make the same statement about Holocaust. Would they say, yes you are right them Jews just keep on complaining and want us to feel sorry for them. Thye got their museum in DC and everybody knows about their Holo-something, so let's just "MOVE ON". Funny how anti-semitic that sounds right? Yet when it comes to slavery comments like yours are OK even if when applied to another group they would sound offensive. And that my boy is a perfect example of racism in the good old USA.
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Yes, look at the inner cities where the black folk do not want to
apply themselves at education.

Yes, look at the inner cities where taking drugs and being in a gang
is more important than educating yourself.

Yes, look at the inner cities and see black girls getting pregnant.

I guess this all the white man's fault.

You mention that segregation is still alive and well today? Give an example!

Comparing the Nazi's killing million of Jews to the southern whites
who enslaved thousands of blacks who are now free is rediculous.

IF you think the blacks should keep on complaining about their long
dead relatives being enslaved then you are living in the past.

It's over dude! Get over it! Grow up!

Unless you are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Then you can make
money off the idea that the black man is still being put down by
the almighty white man.

Maybe you think we should start up a big museum about Slavery
and make a National Slavery Day with fireworks and all!

Maybe you are jealous the Jews have a museum and the blacks don't?
 
Quote from saxon22:


So keep being proud and living a third world life in the country where the rich shop for $2 million dildos.
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You are going over the edge saxon. There is no such thing as a
$2 million dildo. Unless you own one, then I guess it's true...:D
 
Quote from version77:

You are going over the edge saxon. There is no such thing as a
$2 million dildo. Unless you own one, then I guess it's true...:D
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Well, let me open your eyes:

http://www.malditopais.com/2007/04/09/beckam-has-given-victoria-a-two-millio-dollar-dildo/


and a direct quote:

Victoria already has her own dildo. David Beckam has given his wife, Victoria Adams, a dildo in platinum with diamonds which is 2 million dollars worth. The purchase of sexual toys is very common among the Hollywood stars.

Source. Sport.es

I think his taxes should be lowered even more. After all, imagine if he could not afford a toy like that. In the meantime, people are living under the bridges .... well since they are collapsing maybe now they reside next to bridges.
 
Quote from saxon22:

You sound like a fellow from a documentary about Appalachia I watched some time ago. This fella had no front teeth, looked like a homeless bum, his house (if you could call that a house), OK his dwellings looked like some refugee hut and all he was able to present was his admiration for good old USA and his distaste for social programs that "make people weak". Mind you his vocabulary was shall we say not the most sophisticated which was probably due to the high quality education his beloved country bestowed upon him. I have not witnessed this kind of neglect even in the most forgotten parts of Romania. But boy was he proud! In the meantime Newt G. and the district he comes from receives the greatest amount of tax dollars in the country and GWII had cut 1 trillion in taxes for the super rich. Oh yes they need all the help from uncle Sam.
So keep being proud and living a third world life in the country where the rich shop for $2 million dildos.
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Sounds like your hillbilly Appalachian friend has found that true happiness and pride for his country does not involve bribes and material possessions from the government. He is happy with what he has, yet the socialists demand that he have more expensive housing, more expensive education that would do him no good, all at the expense of those that work harder and are more productive. I thought socialists like you believe materialism is bad, or is it just when someone has more stuff than someone else?

Less is more. Read and practice the Tao Te Ching. Stuff is overrated, meaningless. I hate stuff. I want less stuff. The less stuff I have, the happier that I am. The more of my stuff that I give to others, the happier that I am. You sound very unhappy and envious of those that you think have more than you do. It sounds like you have too much stuff, saxon22. Give your stuff away to those that you consider that are in need and you will see what I mean, that you will find true happiness. Your true happiness does not come from someone else giving unwillingly to someone else (taxing some people more than others). You have to give to others on your own. It would be good therapy for you to give directly to those that you think are in need, instead of trying to pry it out of someone else's hands. Change your thoughts and change your life. Less is more.

You sound like you are looking for a socialist utopia where no one has to work, except for the wealth creators, and your every need is provided for through the magic of higher taxes on the wealthy, because everyone knows the wealthy have more than enough for everyone.
 
Quote from version77:

Yes, look at the inner cities where the black folk do not want to
apply themselves at education.

Yes, look at the inner cities where taking drugs and being in a gang
is more important than educating yourself.

Yes, look at the inner cities and see black girls getting pregnant.

I guess this all the white man's fault.

You mention that segregation is still alive and well today? Give an example!

Comparing the Nazi's killing million of Jews to the southern whites
who enslaved thousands of blacks who are now free is ridiculous.

IF you think the blacks should keep on complaining about their long
dead relatives being enslaved then you are living in the past.

It's over dude! Get over it! Grow up!

Unless you are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Then you can make
money off the idea that the black man is still being put down by
the almighty white man.

Maybe you think we should start up a big museum about Slavery
and make a National Slavery Day with fireworks and all!

Maybe you are jealous the Jews have a museum and the blacks don't?
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It is not that the urban poor do not want to apply themselves. How do you instill education in a family that only 40 years ago went to substantially lower quality schools, and for generations had been discriminated and abused.
As for drugs, you try to live in a fucked up place and see if surviving without some extra help is possible. Also, do not forget who was helping pump narcotics to the US. Since you ae not well read I will give you a hint: CIA. Here is more on the subject:

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/cocaine2/south.html

As for being in a gang. Again, you try to survive in a hood where the cops do not care and the only way to stay alive is to join a gang. You give those kids substandard education and nothing to do after school and then you are surprised they gangbang and sell drugs. Everybody wants a piece of the pie. The only way fir them is through street business. Also, you would be surprised who constitute the most customers, hint it ain't the folks living in the projects.

The pregnancy part. I think it is directly connected to slavery. How can society be different. Since the 1500's when first slaves were brought to the New World the family structure of slaves have been systematically undermined by rapes, selling of family members and abuse.

As for segregation, most places in US are segregated. How many places do you know where blacks and whites reside together? Same gos for schools, here is a link:

http://www.progressive.org/media_mpfuentes053106

In Philadelphia and Cleveland, 78 percent was black or Hispanic.

In Los Angeles, 84 percent.

In Baltimore, 88 percent.

In New York City, nearly 75 percent.

Yes I think that there should also be a museum of slavery so that just like Holocaust, we would never forget what happened to the black people in the USA.
 
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