strike on iraq
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.The Russians got into their Vietnam (Afghanistan)
right after US got out of theirs
.US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years,
and viewed them
as freedom fighters against the Russians
.As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of
every single Taliban's
official in Afghanistan
.There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area
than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the
oil out.
UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to
build a 1,000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan
to the Arabian Sea
UNOCAL spent $10,000,000 on geological surveys
for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for
their support in
allowing the construction to begin
.All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas
negotiating with
UNOCAL
in 1998.
1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw
UNOCAL out of the
country and awarded the pipeline project to a company
from Argentina
.John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress
and said no pipeline
until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly
government was established
1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people
in the world.
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was
told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military
action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000).
9/11 WTC disaster
Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan
Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
proof saying it's a
"secret".
Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden
if we showed them
some proof. We refused; we bombed
Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's
about getting the
terrorists."
We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for
UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai).
Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to
deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to
UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi).
The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil. George Bush Sr. (Father) works with the
"Carlysle Group" specializing
in huge oil investments around the world.
Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to
Washington. Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza
Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate
Haliburton before becoming VP of USA
Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000 as a farewell
gift when he left Haliburton. Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business
There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the
Caspian Sea area.
President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai,
(Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build
proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan
It's the Oil, Stupid!"
(And all the while we were told it was about terrorism
and freedom)
Mr. Joseph Clifford contributed above article to Media
Monitors Network (MMN) from James Town, Rhode Island,
Down simmilar path for Iraq's oil reserves?
Josh
right after US got out of theirs
.US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years,
and viewed them
as freedom fighters against the Russians
.As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of
every single Taliban's
official in Afghanistan
.There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area
than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the
oil out.
UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to
build a 1,000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan
to the Arabian Sea
UNOCAL spent $10,000,000 on geological surveys
for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for
their support in
allowing the construction to begin
.All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas
negotiating with
UNOCAL
in 1998.
1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw
UNOCAL out of the
country and awarded the pipeline project to a company
from Argentina
.John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress
and said no pipeline
until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly
government was established
1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people
in the world.
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was
told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military
action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000).
9/11 WTC disaster
Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan
Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
proof saying it's a
"secret".
Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden
if we showed them
some proof. We refused; we bombed
Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's
about getting the
terrorists."
We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for
UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai).
Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to
deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to
UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi).
The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil. George Bush Sr. (Father) works with the
"Carlysle Group" specializing
in huge oil investments around the world.
Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to
Washington. Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza
Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate
Haliburton before becoming VP of USA
Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000 as a farewell
gift when he left Haliburton. Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business
There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the
Caspian Sea area.
President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai,
(Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build
proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan
It's the Oil, Stupid!"
(And all the while we were told it was about terrorism
and freedom)
Mr. Joseph Clifford contributed above article to Media
Monitors Network (MMN) from James Town, Rhode Island,
Down simmilar path for Iraq's oil reserves?
Josh
There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out.
Not true. There are several pipelines already in operation:
Atyrau (Kazakhstan) to Samara (Russia), linking to Russian pipeline system;
Baku to Supsa (Georgia), terminating at Supsa Black Sea port;
Baku via Chechnya (Russia) to Novorossiisk (Russia), terminating at Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal;
Baku via Dagestan to Tikhoretsk (Russia) and terminating at Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal;
Tengiz oil field (Kazakhstan) to Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal.
Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan
Against Afghanistan? Not even worthy of a response.
Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
proof saying it's a "secret".
Right. The world is still waiting to "find out" who did it.
Down simmilar path for Iraq's oil reserves?
Wouldn't it have been a hell of a lot easier just to take over Kuwait and/or Iraq in 1991?
Not true. There are several pipelines already in operation:
Atyrau (Kazakhstan) to Samara (Russia), linking to Russian pipeline system;
Baku to Supsa (Georgia), terminating at Supsa Black Sea port;
Baku via Chechnya (Russia) to Novorossiisk (Russia), terminating at Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal;
Baku via Dagestan to Tikhoretsk (Russia) and terminating at Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal;
Tengiz oil field (Kazakhstan) to Novorossiisk Black Sea oil terminal.
Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan
Against Afghanistan? Not even worthy of a response.
Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
proof saying it's a "secret".
Right. The world is still waiting to "find out" who did it.
Down simmilar path for Iraq's oil reserves?
Wouldn't it have been a hell of a lot easier just to take over Kuwait and/or Iraq in 1991?
The Strong:
"By a wide margin, the U.S. House of Representatives has approved a war powers resolution that gives President Bush the right to use military force against Iraq."
The Weak:
"Progress appears to be slower on the international diplomatic front, with permanent Security Council members France, Russia and China still opposing a tough resolution backed by Britain and the United States authorizing military force if Iraq does not comply with weapons inspections. "
"By a wide margin, the U.S. House of Representatives has approved a war powers resolution that gives President Bush the right to use military force against Iraq."
The Weak:
"Progress appears to be slower on the international diplomatic front, with permanent Security Council members France, Russia and China still opposing a tough resolution backed by Britain and the United States authorizing military force if Iraq does not comply with weapons inspections. "
While you're doing "Oil History 101," look into who developed the Saudi Oil Fields that have been a sore spot for quite a while. Also look into how they became the property of the current possessors. Then explain why we continue to pay prime dollars for the products. You might also look into why we don't just pump Mexico's oil more.
Further erosion of your argument would come in the arena of Kuwait. We could have easily taken control of most of the production resumption there. The Caspian Sea argument also has a lot of holes in that there are many others already there and there are easier locations to tap right now.
One of the easiest ways to change things around would be to start aiding in the development and purchasing of more Russian and South American oil. Develop stronger competition to the Saudi cartels. It would take different production assistance and commitments for those regions, but I believe it could prove worth the gamble in the long run.
