Starbucks Brand Crashes After Announcement of Plan to Hire 10,000 Muslim ‘Refugees’

[AAAintheBeltway]

For example, I equally I disagree with the decision for the Chic Fil A president coming out against homosexuality.

Chic Fil A is a private company I believe. No public shareholders to worry about. As I recall, the company ended up increasing its popularity. You have to know your customer base. If he had come out for gun control instead, their business would have suffered for sure.

I agree with you though. Why look for trouble? And clearly the CEO's and their elite advisors are tone deaf on these issues. The are too insulated apparently to understand their customers' concerns. I'm sure the SBUX CEO never dreamed that aiding refugees would seem like a slap in the face to some.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

You are incorrect. I don't let my personal feelings influence business decisions, even if you or others would. For example, I equally I disagree with the decision for the Chic Fil A president coming out against homosexuality. I mean, why alienate potential customers at your restaurant just because you want to overtly state your religious preferences?

I didn't know you had anything against the gay community. (Why else would you bring up the Chic Fil A thing in an effort to validate your argument against Starbucks?)

 

[Tsing Tao]

I didn't know you had anything against the gay community. (Why else would you bring up the Chic Fil A thing in an effort to validate your argument against Starbucks?)

I support the rights of gays, but I am personally against the idea of homosexuality. I just realize that my own personal viewpoint doesn't give me the right to restrict their rights.

Regardless, the owner of Chic Fil A was stupid for stating his beliefs publicly.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Chic Fil A is a private company I believe. No public shareholders to worry about. As I recall, the company ended up increasing its popularity. You have to know your customer base. If he had come out for gun control instead, their business would have suffered for sure.

I agree with you though. Why look for trouble? And clearly the CEO's and their elite advisors are tone deaf on these issues. The are too insulated apparently to understand their customers' concerns. I'm sure the SBUX CEO never dreamed that aiding refugees would seem like a slap in the face to some.

Public or private, it's stupid to risk losing customers when there is no gain whatsoever.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

I support the rights of gays, but I am personally against the idea of homosexuality.

I'm not sure I know what that means.

 

[gwb-trading]

I'm not sure I know what that means.

Actually it is pretty much the position of the owners of Chic Fil A.

Keep in mind that Chic Fil A was a leader in hiring gays and had taken flack from the Christian right about this practice prior the big controversy. Chic Fil A is dedicated to running its business on Christian practices and are not open on Sunday. One of those practices is not discriminating in hiring on any basis.

When the controversy came out over the Chic Fil A owners' statements opposing gay marriage. This happened at a time when they were already the leader in their sector in hiring gays. It is pretty much a "dislike the sin but support the sinner concept". While the owners may be personally against homosexuality, they support policies not discriminating against gays in hiring even in their own business.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I'm not sure I know what that means.

It means, quite simply, that I do not support homosexuality. I personally find the practice immoral and against my beliefs. But I support the right of everyone, including homosexuals to practice homosexuality, to marry, to get the same benefits as heterosexual couples. I do not believe I have the right to enforce my principles on others.

We had a similar discussion, you and I, back when we were talking about banning someone (I think it was TGregg). You got all over me because I supported his right to free speech, even if I didn't agree with the statements he is making. I pointed out that I also support your right to say anything you want as well, even though I disagree with most of what you say. The freedom is what I support, not the topic.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

It is pretty much a "dislike the sin but support the sinner concept". While the owners may be personally against homosexuality

People don't decide on their orientation. People are born gay. You know this. Even Pastor Ted couldn't pray his gay away. So now it's a sin?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

I personally find the practice immoral and against my beliefs.

Immoral? wtf? Beliefs? Look, I'm straight and came from an age when kids (and adults) made fun of the idea of being gay. So even to this day, I'm not particularly comfortable when I see two guys kissing or making out on TV. (Two women? I'm rather more receptive.) But I grew up. I realize that people are people and should be allowed to live their lives and be happy, as long as they are not hurting anyone. What could possibly be immoral about that. Immoral is living a lie and not finding happiness where you can get it with the one life you have. Or judging those who do.

 

[gwb-trading]

People don't decide on their orientation. People are born gay. You know this. Even Pastor Ted couldn't pray his gay away. So now it's a sin?

Just about every holy book of every major religion states that homosexuality is a sin. If you run a business on Christian principles then it is likely that you personally consider homosexuality a sin.

But notice the difference between Christianity and Islam. Christians are urged to accept the sinner and reject the sins. Muslims believe a proper punishment for homosexuality is death; a penalty I should add that they have enacted regularly through many Muslim lands over the past decades.