Special counsel is investigating President Trump for obstruction of justice, new report says

[jem]

do you really want to waste your time on this. We covered these polls real time.
it was not just abc but many others which used democrat rich samples and had hillary up by 6 to 14 points. Then when the polls unskewed (herded) they had the race much closer. Sometimes in the margin for error. Many polls were clearly crooked for all but the last few weeks of the race.

You should always take the mean. One or the other can be an outlier. Throw out the high and low and take the mean of the remaining. That's proved extremely reliable.

 

[jem]

only trolls would try and make that argument or give it a like.

i presented a chart with 102 climate models on it.
that was not my chart it was a climate scientists.

That's what he does for climate change data, he takes the mean of the spread but with poll data, he only looks at the extremes. A perfect case of curve fitting data to a belief system.

 

[jem]

the reason why successful traders seem to be alt right is that in order to trade for a living and make many trades... you have to very good and see reality. You can't kid yourself. You can't listen to CEOs you can't let yourself get tricked by govt officials. you can't listen to wall street's arguments.

you can ignore those things or you can trade off the price action around those things.

if you make a few thousand trade and you make money doing it...
you are very good at seeing through the bullshit and thinking through the bullshit.

you are very unlikely to see things in a leftist manner or establishment manner.
you are not going to trust back data fit models because you know they almost all fail on real time data.
plus... you are going to not like taxes.

Actually, my impression (I certainly can't prove it with a reliable survey) is that alt right "thinking" is abnormally represented among traders in general, and particularly among short term traders, i.e., gamblers. I don't know why exactly, and haven't thought about it much; just accepted what seems like the obvious, to me anyway.

 

[jem]

except for the caveats which you could run an oil tanker through.
did you catch the caveats...

1. The Justice Department, as well as many scholars, haveopinedthat a sitting president cannot be indicted and tried for a crime. So the ultimate issue, whatever Mueller's findings, will come down to the political question of impeachment.

2. . Federal courts have said that virtuallyany actcan create such liability for obstruction and that the act need not, by itself, be unlawful or even nefarious.

but that does not mean that what Trump did was nefarious or unlawful. This is very big question. Is "hoping" a nefarious act when you are the President. Would a trier of fact find it unlawful.

3. Second, Trump's act allegedly was taken with a specific "official proceeding"—the potential prosecution of his former national security adviser—in mind as the object of the effort to obstruct. According to the author...
As long as the suspect has a specific potential proceeding in mind—any possible prosecution of Flynn would do here—this requirement is satisfied.

How would Trump have had a specific legal proceeding in mind. Can anyone prove he had a specific legal proceeding in mind.

4. Third, Trump's alleged actions clearly indicate a "corrupt" intent, which federal courtrulingshave said is a state of mind meaning "with an improper purpose to obstruct justice." There have been many federal cases in which efforts to derail or even slow a criminal investigation in order to protect associates were proven in court to meet this requirement. That is what apparently happened here.


Again, was hoping an corrupt intent. You would have to prove Trump had a corrupt intent. If hillary did not have intent... how could this have been corrupt intent.

5. this was also a big argument...

Some have argued that, elements of the crime aside, the president simply cannot be prosecuted for exercising his power to direct federal law enforcement priorities no matter how malevolent his intentions. This argument disturbingly equates the power to do something with the legality of exercising that power. it may be disturbing but it may be the law. The sup ct may have to take this issue up. The president of the US may have the power to hope investigations away... especially since the constitution provided for impeachment.


In summary...
This article by a law professor.... was interesting but not persuasive or powerful. it was a good law school exercise.

Law Professor: The obstruction of justice case against Trump is already a slam dunk

 

[exGOPer]

only trolls would try and make that argument or give it a like.

i presented a chart with 102 climate models on it.
that was not my chart it was a climate scientists.

Which scenario for each model was chosen? Why wasnt that chart and the research peer reviewed?

 

[piezoe]

the reason why successful traders seem to be alt right is that in order to trade for a living and make many trades... you have to very good and see reality. You can't kid yourself. You can't listen to CEOs you can't let yourself get tricked by govt officials. you can't listen to wall street's arguments.

you can ignore those things or you can trade off the price action around those things.

if you make a few thousand trade and you make money doing it...
you are very good at seeing through the bullshit and thinking through the bullshit.

you are very unlikely to see things in a leftist manner or establishment manner.
you are not going to trust back data fit models because you know they almost all fail on real time data.
plus... you are going to not like taxes.

If you understand the reason than you are perhaps the only one in the Universe that does -- or at least the only one in our galaxy!.

 

[piezoe]

1. The Justice Department, as well as many scholars, haveopinedthat a sitting president cannot be indicted and tried for a crime. So the ultimate issue, whatever Mueller's findings, will come down to the political question of impeachment.

No problem, you idiot! And impeachment and its result is superfluous in this regard. Once they are out of office, for whatever reason, they can be convicted and sent to jail. Impeachment and conviction or absolution in the Senate won't make them judgement proof against crimes they committed either before taking office, while in office, or after their term expires. Why do you think Ford bothered to pardon Nixon, you idiot!!! And you supposedly went to law school!!!!!

 

[jem]

what happens after Trump leaves office was irrelevant to this exercise - you leftist imbecile. The article by a law professor set the bounds of our inquiry. Your point about what happens after trump leaves office is incredibly irrelevant. its like you were so triggered you wrote the first stupid thing you could think of.

Additionally, as long as justice and the constitution are served, I don't even care if he were to be impeached.

I care about the constitution and the republic.... not that much about Trump as a person or politician.

I just want him and the establishment republicans to make good on their campaign promises.

No problem, you idiot! And impeachment and its result is superfluous in this regard. Once they are out of office, for whatever reason, they can be convicted convicted and sent to jail. Impeachment and conviction or absolution in the Senate won't make them judgement proof against crimes they committed either before taking office, while in office, or after their term expires. Why do you think Ford bothered to pardon Nixon, you idiot!!!

 

[piezoe]

... impeachment was explicitly mentioned as part of my critique.

So what! As I said, and I am happy to repeat it. Impeachment is superfluous to the matter of whether the President can be prosecuted for crimes he/she may have committed before, during, or after serving. They may not be indicted while in office. The only surefire escape a President out of office, or anyone else, has against indictment is death.

Impeachment is a political exercise. It has no bearing whatsoever on the matter of whether a President is indictable for an alleged crime. The President may not be indicted while still in office, but so what!!! I can not be indicted on a Sunday, but so what!!

 

[exGOPer]

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