Scientists warn the sun will 'go to sleep' in 2030 and could cause temperatures to plummet

[wjk]

QUOTE="futurecurrents, post: 4151060, member: 11181"]You may notice the word "major". I doubt he says it is the major driver. But I will look into his work further. But all this talk about solar output changes is just a red herring. The solar forcing effect of the rise in greenhouse gasses far exceeds, by orders of magnitude, solar activity changes.

"Solar output changes have never been the major driver of climate change". [/QUOTE]

If you were to say, and I think you did earlier, that it wasn't the driver of major climate change, I might agree. I would agree with you that the angle of solar input changes such as occur during various phases of the Milankovitch cycle are.

My point in posting the article was that they believed it was a very slight reduction in solar output but yet still produced a significant drop in temps over parts of the globe for a reasonable period of time. I didn't post it as part of the greenhouse gas argument, as that wasn't an issue at the time of the MM. His points about how solar reduction caused change was quite interesting, in my opinion.

 

[Fractals 'R Us]

All these f^&king scientists and their dire warnings. I'd like to take out a full page ad in the NYT and tell them to never jaywalk. No threat of course.. just something to raise their anxiety level over something useless like they do to the rest of us.

 

[jem]

massive speculation... no scientific proof.

the research is starting to show the important change is really in water vapor levels... and clouds. At first your team was speculating co2 amplified clouds thereby causing warming... but recent research can not determine what adding clouds does... because if high clouds are added there might be warming... but if more low clouds are produced... there might be cooling.

in short you are taking speculation and acting likes its fact.
There is no science that man made co2 is causing warming.

Finally, at first in the warming cycle co2 might cause a bit of warming... but as the cycle goes on it might cause cooling.

there earth has many negative feedback systems... which must be why our atmosphere has not burned off or burned us up in a runaway warming from your greenhouse effect.

Really, try fucking reading you retard. I really hope that you have not bred. People as stupid you are should be sterilized.

Solar INPUT to the earth HAS been the cause of the MAJOR changes in the temps of the earth. These changes are due to orbital changes which cause variation of how much sun hits land vs sea. This initiates warming which releases CO2 which causes more greenhouse effect, which causes more warming, which releases more CO2 etc. It is these levels of CO2 that mostly determine the temps, after being nudged by the orbital changes.

 

[Tsing Tao]

"Solar output changes have never been the major driver of climate change".

I find it interesting that someone can make this statement, using words like "never" in regards to the massive, 1.4 million kilometer fusion reactor in the center of our solar system, and still be considered a sentient life form.

 

[futurecurrents]

massive speculation... no scientific proof.

the research is starting to show the important change is really in water vapor levels... and clouds. At first your team was speculating co2 amplified clouds thereby causing warming... but recent research can not determine what adding clouds does... because if high clouds are added there might be warming... but if more low clouds are produced... there might be cooling.

in short you are taking speculation and acting likes its fact.
There is no science that man made co2 is causing warming.

Finally, at first in the warming cycle co2 might cause a bit of warming... but as the cycle goes on it might cause cooling.

there earth has many negative feedback systems... which must be why our atmosphere has not burned off or burned us up in a runaway warming from your greenhouse effect.

Sure jerm, that's why 99.9% of the experts think otherwise. Take your meds you libertarian nut job


Government is good.

 

[futurecurrents]

I find it interesting that someone can make this statement, using words like "never" in regards to the massive, 1.4 million kilometer fusion reactor in the center of our solar system, and still be considered a sentient life form.

Well, that's what happens when you read the science. Something with which you are unable to do for some reason. Could be because you are the typical dumb righty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Causes_of_ice_ages


"The long-term increase in the Sun's output cannot be a cause of ice ages."

 

[gwb-trading]

Well, that's what happens when you read the science. Something with which you are unable to do for some reason. Could be because you are the typical dumb righty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Causes_of_ice_ages


"The long-term increase in the Sun's output cannot be a cause of ice ages."

It spears that you have reading and comprehension issues -- but this has been a long term problem.

 

[jem]

actually when you total real studies not studies that select 77 out of 10000. ..

about half the experts think man is contributing to warming...
but only a few nutter scientists state man made co2 is causing warming.
that is because no science showing it.

When you read the studies... like we did with Nitro's video they say "may" cause warming.

Which is why you never produce any actual science showing man made co2 causes warming...

So go ahead give a list of your experts saying man made co2 is causing warming... and show us some links to their papers..... proving it.

We will be lucky if you find 5. Whereas we have linked to hundreds sayning the sun and or the tides cause at least a substantial part of the warming.

why? because co2 follows temperature change it does not lead it.
We have science showing that.

Sure jerm, that's why 99.9% of the experts think otherwise. Take your meds you libertarian nut job


Government is good.

 

[futurecurrents]

[QUOTE="jem, post: 4151422, member: 8212"

about half the experts think man is contributing to warming...
but only a few nutter scientists state man made co2 is causing warming.
that is because no science showing it.

When you read the studies... like we did with Nitro's video they say "may" cause warming.

Which is why you never produce any actual science showing man made co2 causes warming...

So go ahead give a list of your experts saying man made co2 is causing warming... and show us some links to their papers..... proving it.

We will be lucky if you find 5. Whereas we have linked to hundreds sayning the sun and or the tides cause at least a substantial part of the warming.

why? because co2 follows temperature change it does not lead it.
We have science showing that.[/QUOTE]

 

[WeToddDid2]

"The long-term increase in the Sun's output cannot be a cause of ice ages."

NASA stated(bold and underline mine):

"During the Maunder Minimum, a period of diminished solar activity between 1645 and 1715, sunspots were rare on the face of the sun, sometimes disappearing entirely for months to years. At the same time, Earth experienced a bitter cold period known as the "Little Ice Age."

Were the events connected? Scientists cannot say for sure, but it's quite likely."

But, you are correct. An INCREASE in the sun's output cannot cause an ice age. Dumb ass.