Religion is a hypothesis.

[OPTIONAL777]

"Something apparently exploded. You know, like a bomb."

LMAO...

Like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat...

Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

Quote from kut2k2:

You say science is creating something (the universe) out of nothing when in fact it is you and your fellow theists who create something (the Creator) out of nothing.

Science says nothing about the state of the universe before the Big Bang. It certainly doesn't say first there was nothing, then there was something. It merely says something apparently exploded. You know, like a bomb. Where the bomb came from or what caused it to go off is still an ongoing investigation. CSI will get back to you later.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from jficquette:

Without a belief in the moral code which comes from Theism you wouldn't even have a civilization.

That's hilarious, the idea that your superstition precedes morality. There are examples of morality in the animal kingdom. I saw a film clip of a hippo chasing off a crocodile that had attacked an impala. Tell me, at what temple did the hippopotamus worship?

 

[jficquette]

Quote from kut2k2:

That's hilarious, the idea that your superstition precedes morality. There are examples of morality in the animal kingdom. I saw a film clip of a hippo chasing off a crocodile that had attacked an impala. Tell me, at what temple did the hippopotamus worship?

So you consider that Hippo to be a moral being?? What temple have you been too?

 

[trendlover]

Quote from kut2k2:

That's hilarious, the idea that your superstition precedes morality. There are examples of morality in the animal kingdom. I saw a film clip of a hippo chasing off a crocodile that had attacked an impala. Tell me, at what temple did the hippopotamus worship?

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<!--[if !supportLists]-->- <!--[endif]-->Vampire bats that have had a successful night on the town demonstrate an altruism of sorts by regurgitating blood for companions that have been less successful. (Reciprocal altruism, however, is the rule—for a bat that fails to share will in turn be denied when the tables are turned.)

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from trendlover:

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Look at this!


<!--[if !supportLists]-->- <!--[endif]-->Wolves depend on teamwork to bring down large prey such as caribou or moose;


<!--[if !supportLists]-->- <!--[endif]-->African wild dogs will carry fresh meat back for the “babysitters” who stayed at home with the cubs during the hunt;


<!--[if !supportLists]-->- <!--[endif]-->Harris hawks live in groups with well-defined divisions of labor: certain hawks have the role of rearing and protecting the young, while others never visit the nest but do the hunting and share their food;


<!--[if !supportLists]-->- <!--[endif]-->Dolphins will try to save companions trapped in tuna nets, and one or more dolphins will work together to help a sick or injured dolphin stay close to the surface to prevent it from drowning;


<!--[if !supportLists]-->- <!--[endif]-->Vampire bats that have had a successful night on the town demonstrate an altruism of sorts by regurgitating blood for companions that have been less successful. (Reciprocal altruism, however, is the rule—for a bat that fails to share will in turn be denied when the tables are turned.)

+1

Some theists can't conceive of morality without a threat/reward component like a god smiling or frowning at various mortal behavior.

 

[stu]

Quote from jficquette:

The Creator does not exist in a Universe such as this one. The Creator is not a personality. Where it exists and in what form is as unknowable to us as life in a three dimensional world would be to the two dimension inhabitants of Flatland.

What we see from the Creator is the creative, organizing force that created and orders the Universe. Man gave that force human qualities and called it God.

Again, it illogical to think that all this just happened. Actually, to be frank, it's more superstitious to believe that this universe just magically happened then to think that it was purposefully created by something.

You describe a Creator as unknowable but you know It does not exist in a Universe such as this one, and you know It is not a personality, and you know It created and orders the Universe. So that Creator is not actually unknowable, as you know things about It. This is getting like no belief is belief .

If it is illogical to think the Universe just happened as you say, it is equally illogical to think a Creator just happened. And a Creator which has always existed, begs the question then why wouldn’t the Universe have always existed.

When arguing the Universe needed to be created, you have no logical grounds to argue why a Creator wouldn’t need to be created.

From the explanation you give it is a little obvious that the "organizing force that created and orders the Universe" , a Creator, fits the role of the Universe itself.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from stu:

You describe a Creator as unknowable but you know It does not exist in a Universe such as this one, and you know It is not a personality, and you know It created and orders the Universe. So that Creator is not actually unknowable, as you know things about It. This is getting like no belief is belief .

If it is illogical to think the Universe just happened as you say, it is equally illogical to think a Creator just happened. And a Creator which has always existed, begs the question then why wouldn’t the Universe have always existed.

When arguing the Universe needed to be created, you have no logical grounds to argue why a Creator wouldn’t need to be created.

From the explanation you give it is a little obvious that the "organizing force that created and orders the Universe" , a Creator, fits the role of the Universe itself.

Too damn funny for words.

 

[stu]

Quote from Index piker:

Too damn funny for words.

what was your point again …oh yea , that’s right , you don't have one

 

[Index piker]

Quote from stu:



From the explanation you give it is a little obvious that the "organizing force that created and orders the Universe" , a Creator, fits the role of the Universe itself.

Nice argument for intelligent design amongst reinventing Hinduism and Buddhism amongst others.

Like I said you fools are too funny for words.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from stu:



If it is illogical to think the Universe just happened as you say, it is equally illogical to think a Creator just happened. And a Creator which has always existed, begs the question then why wouldn’t the Universe have always existed.

Thanks for deflating the big bang theory as relevant or accurate.

Or do you still prefer the old " magical something came out of nothing " schtick?