Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by stu

2. You experienced non existence before you were born. No Time no space, no concept of what no time and no space could be.

See ......you have experienced it !

You don't "experience" non-existence. The stop watch on your experiences begins when you achieve sentience and become aware of your surroundings.
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil
The hardest question I've ever had to grapple with is -- if there was no existence, what would there be? It seems like I can't begin to comprehend a state of non-existence, but from everything I have noticed in the world, a state of non-existence seems impossible.

My entire life, I have known what it feels like to exist. Non-existence has never occured to me, so I can only speak from personal experiences when I say that non-existence probably doesn't exist, since I've never experienced it.
sure you have. we all have. simply ask yourself, "what was my life like 3 million years ago?" i don't know about you, but i certainly can't think of anything. that's what non existence is. as i've said before, imo being alive is the result of your brain turned "on." you weren't aware of your existence before you were born, and you won't be aware of it when you die...imo.
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil
Well, if I was non-existent for 15 billion years, it sure went by in a blink of an eye. So, if I become non-existent again and it take 100 trillion years for something to happen to cause me to "experience existence" again, I probably also will have a wait equal to "the blink of an eye."

The only problems I have about all of that are -- if I existed before, what happened to all those life-experiences and are they stored somewhere? However, that is more of a metaphysical approach to life, though.
if you didn't exist, how did it go by in a blind of an eye? you didn't exist to compare it to anything.

who says you existed before your existence now? what is the rule saying you had to? why is this life not your only one? as for previous life experience being stored somewhere, why would they have to be stored somewhere?!?!? does a misquito's life get stored somewhere when it dies? does that misquito come back and live another life? the existance of all living things are the same. i don't care what the bible says. my death will be the same as death for a worm or a dinosaur. there is no difference. we are all just animals living our life on planet earth.
 
Originally posted by stu


So we can take that as being 'Word of God' eh ?

For someone who knows so much "Bible Truth" that is as evil as it gets isn't it?

Which bit of your Bible taught you to respond like that then?

Your God Commands You To Control Your Tongue

"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, 'Listen and understand.

What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean,

But what come out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.'"

Matthew 15:10-11


No one could ever get any so called "Truth" from you or your like. You don't even follow your own beliefs

Oh now you want to use the bible as reference. How convenient...
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko

thunderbolt, you have really outdone yourself this time. "baboon's ass." lol

evolution RULES. i laugh knowing you evolved from ape like animals and you just can't accept it. i guess you're just a little less evolved than i am. :)

i'd really love to know what your thoughts are on something like this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/tryit/evolution/indext.html

is it just a coincidence? a total lie? what? you tell me.

That's your daddy. Axeman, daniel and stu too!
 
Gordon,

If you don't experience something, how can you compare it to something else you have experienced? I've never experienced non-existence and have no proof that it even exists. One could say that nonexistence is just as hard to prove as god.

Yeah, the body might die, but what happens next? Nobody knows, so how can it be debated?

3 million years ago I existed. Every atom in my body has existed for ever. They just somehow managed to get together from a series of events that took place to create me.

Now THAT'S something to think about. What are the odds that all the atoms that make you up somehow would manage to orchestrate a meeting to produce your sentient life? Now THATS amazing.
 
Thunderbolt,

I went to your evolution link on PBS and, you have to admit, the evidence that we evolved from other animals is pretty strong. However, I don't understand why hard-core Christians have a problem with evolution? Is there really a big deal about evolving from other creatures?

God, if it does exist, didn't have to just snap his fingers and have humans walking around. There is probably a little more to it than just that -- and evolution could fill in the gaps.

I think you can say that evolution and creation theories can be combined nicely if you just consider the fact that god "created evolution."
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil


I think you can say that evolution and creation theories can be combined nicely if you just consider the fact that god "created evolution."

I like to think that God created the world in seven days. He created it to APPEAR much older than it really is, to test our faith! And He also created fossils and other archeological props to try and sway us away from religion. What a jokester He is, eh?:D
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil
3 million years ago I existed. Every atom in my body has existed for ever. They just somehow managed to get together from a series of events that took place to create me.
3 million years ago the atoms existed, yes. however, you are the collective organization of those atoms. this organization which makes you who you are DID NOT exist 3 million years ago...so i don't think it's a good point to say you existed 3 million years ago just because your atoms did. my house is made of pieces of wood. did my house exist 3 million years ago because the wood's atoms did? no.
 
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