Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by axeman
You can point to the exceptions to the rule all you want, but
the fact remains, that over 90% of our best and brightest
scientists are non-believers.

Twist and bend all you like. Religious scientists are in
the extreme minority and have been declining year
after year.

Check the stats in my very early post.
Religion among scientists has steadily declined decade
after decade in polls.

So sorry...your totally wrong on that point.

As for argument from design..... its been shredded
a countless number of times. Why bring this fact up again and again?

Answer the question I posed to Thunderbolt.

Since complexity requires design (in your world),
who designed the creator???????

No one dares answer this because it shows
the HUGE HOLE in your weak argument.

peace

axeman




You baboon's ass, I've answered your question, as well as everyone else's, through all of my posts. The problem is you're too dense to see it. Yes, that's right, DENSE. You clowns post in BOLD letters so your pathetic reasoning will somehow be read. Well, it isn't! Who designed the creator? AH! What a laugh! The god who created an eye, a brain and every complex thing--and you want an explanation from him? Please! He's given us what we need to know and your weak intellect couldn't even understand his explanation even if he gave one. Can you create an eye? How 'bout Einstein? Fact is, no great thinker could even create an eye 1/100000000000th of the real thing. I know you're too dumb to grasp this, so I'll leave it at that. God has to limit his intelligence when dealing with us. And after conversing with people like you, I SEE WHY!
 
Originally posted by FasterPussycat


OH REALLY, AND WHY DOESNT IT MAKE SENSE???


INTELLIGENCE HAS A REASON FOR ITS ACTIONS, DOESENT IT??

You have no intelligence, you baboon's ass! You believe in evolution because you think like a friggin' baboon. Your daddy is down at the San Diego zoo! ROTFLMAO!
 
Originally posted by FasterPussycat
WHERE IS "DARK"???


CMON DARK....CAN YOU TAKE ME ON???


HA!

YOU'RE WEAK AND YOU'VE SHOWN IT, SO DON'T WASTE MY TIME--I NEED AN OPPONENT, NOT ONLY WILL I DOG YOU BUT I'LL MAKE YOU RETIRE, SO DON'T GET CLOSE CAUSE YOUR ASS WILL BE ON FIRE!:confused:
 
Originally posted by rs7
WOW!!!

A couple of days of not tuning in to this nonsense, and there is so much, that it would be beyond my patience (or caring really), to catch up on this thread. My DSL is down for some reason I don't understand. Using dial up.....well that is enough to discourage anyone from connecting to the internet. So I missed all the valuable last hundred or so posts:(

I feel like I should change my handle to DrFrankenstein, since I have obviously created a monster. I thought the thread would go 1 or 2 pages. I tried to just bust a little on Faster for laughs, but the fanatics took over the asylum, and now here we are about a million posts later.

Funny thing is that I also started the now infamous "Superstition, Luck and Voodo" thread. Which, I guess by no small coincidence also quickly evolved from a lighthearted premise to a never ending debate on God and religion.

Now I appreciate a good debate as much as the next guy. But this isn't a debate, this is an argument (by most of the regular posters in this thread) that will not and can not be won. Tdolt (® IMissedTheBoat, 2002) will always be a narrow minded intolerant freak, and Dan and Axeman and Faster and the rest will only get headaches from banging their heads against the brick wall that is the ThunderJesusFire&Brimstone guy.

Then there is our little pal aphie, who has to post in every thread, because he is the most important non trading child registered on ET. And the knowledge he imparts to us is priceless. Or useless. Or something with the suffix of "less".

Gordon Gekko (and his mom) will always delight us with his (and her) insightful observations. I can tease GG, but who is smarter than a guy that can express so much so succinctly? I mean "LOL"...how much more concise can one get? Yes, sometimes he gets a little wordy and gives us a "hehehehe", but that is when he puts on his Darkhorse Hat. But normally he is more of an E=MC2 kind of guy.

And where is Darkhorse? I miss him. Never understood what he said, but he said it all so eloquently.

Well I don't know why I am writing this. I was asleep, woke up, and couldn't fall back to sleep. It's late (almost 3 am), and I guess it must just be delirium taking over my brain. And guilt for not having made a post in more than my alloted time.

Sorry guys. Oh, and I have a 7:30 am Tee time. I am sure I will be quite sharp on the links today. NOT!

But now I feel better. I have made my useless post and don't feel the extreme guilt for not having done it sooner. I shall now sleep like a baby (but not for too long....gotta go out and slam a few 120 yard drives with the big gun).

So good night, good morning, good whatever it is to whoever it is wherever they may be.

Oh, I almost neglected to mention.......I spoke with God again today. He called me from a remote location. He wasn't real specific about his whereabouts. He was using the satellite phone I had Santa deliver to him last year as a gift on my behalf. He sounded like he was shivering a bit. I bet he was someplace cold. I know he has used Superman's Fortress of Solitude on occasion. That would be my first guess as to His whereabouts. Why he goes there I can only guess....I think he likes to stay away from heat, since heat is more the domain of his nemesis.

Anyway, God did tell me that if I really wanted salvation, I had to ask Tdolt (® IMissedTheBoat, 2002) what brand of religion I need to adhere to. I told HIM that I already asked more than once, and have not yet gotten an answer. So God then told me about how Tdolt ® works in mysterious ways. So there you have it. A very expensive phone conversation (I accepted the charges collect), and I still don't know how to avoid eternal damnation. I hope my personal social relationship with God may juice me into heaven, but I can't count on any favors. He tends to stick to the rules, and grants very little favoritism based on personal relationships and such. Some of you don't know, but God's last job was a Major League Umpire, so he has that kind of demeanor. He got screwed in that walkout a few years back, and had to take up a new profession. He told me it pays poorly. His middle and upper management guys do well, but being the top banana is sort of like, "hey, you got all the power, you don't need the money". But sadly, he calls me collect, because money does count, and power isn't everything.

Now with this sleep deprivation, my drives are now expected to be more in the 90-95 yard range. Means I should be smacking my 3 irons a good 70, and my 8 iron should be just the ticket for those "gimme" puts. Can't wait!

Peace, and good nonsense to all,
DrFrankenstein (aka Rs7)
:)

Useless best describes this post. A total waste of internet space.
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt


You have no intelligence, you baboon's ass! You believe in evolution because you think like a friggin' baboon. Your daddy is down at the San Diego zoo! ROTFLMAO!

So we can take that as being 'Word of God' eh ?

For someone who knows so much "Bible Truth" that is as evil as it gets isn't it?

Which bit of your Bible taught you to respond like that then?

Your God Commands You To Control Your Tongue

"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, 'Listen and understand.

What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean,

But what come out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.'"

Matthew 15:10-11


No one could ever get any so called "Truth" from you or your like. You don't even follow your own beliefs
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt
You have no intelligence, you baboon's ass! You believe in evolution because you think like a friggin' baboon. ...ROTFLMAO!
thunderbolt, you have really outdone yourself this time. "baboon's ass." lol

evolution RULES. i laugh knowing you evolved from ape like animals and you just can't accept it. i guess you're just a little less evolved than i am. :)

i'd really love to know what your thoughts are on something like this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/tryit/evolution/indext.html

is it just a coincidence? a total lie? what? you tell me.
 
That's no coincidence Gordon. I am sure I have dated that Australopithecus anamensis chick in a previous existence. You just wouldn't forget a face like that wud ya !

Do you notice that 'knowing l@@k in her eyes
I think I may have caused it :D
 
I've asked this before but perhaps I wasn't assertive enough?

If evolution rules the universe, what created the process of "evolution?" In other words, if things are constantly becoming more complex from "random mutations" -- despite the laws of thermodynamics -- how do we explain how linear physical laws work together to create constantly more complex systems?

Thunderbolt means well but I think sometimes he feels attacked by a bunch of atheists and needs to defend his religion. A man and his religion are sometimes tightly intertwined together. You have to admit that, for a lot of people, religion is life.

Unfortunately, religion should compliment one's life and not suppliment it. Maybe it would be far more gentle for god to admit that his religion was always less about "you need to go here" than "you went there but probably shouldn't have."

Let those who past judgement on others stand before a greater judgement. Who is anyone to judge another person -- since we are all different, have different life experiences, different problems and challenges, different goals and ambitions, etc.

If what works for me is applied to someone elses life, they might want to jump off a bridge and vice-versa.

The hardest question I've ever had to grapple with is -- if there was no existence, what would there be? It seems like I can't begin to comprehend a state of non-existence, but from everything I have noticed in the world, a state of non-existence seems impossible.

My entire life, I have known what it feels like to exist. Non-existence has never occured to me, so I can only speak from personal experiences when I say that non-existence probably doesn't exist, since I've never experienced it.

That doesn't even come close to a proof, but it works for me.
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil
I've asked this before but perhaps I wasn't assertive enough?

.............If what works for me is applied to someone elses life, they might want to jump off a bridge and vice-versa.


...........My entire life, I have known what it feels like to exist. Non-existence has never occured to me, so I can only speak from personal experiences when I say that non-existence probably doesn't exist, since I've never experienced it.

That doesn't even come close to a proof, but it works for me.


1. I think you are dead right with that one. I know I would

2. You experienced non existence before you were born. No Time no space, no concept of what no time and no space could be.

See ......you have experienced it !
 
Stu,

Well, if I was non-existent for 15 billion years, it sure went by in a blink of an eye. So, if I become non-existent again and it take 100 trillion years for something to happen to cause me to "experience existence" again, I probably also will have a wait equal to "the blink of an eye."

The only problems I have about all of that are -- if I existed before, what happened to all those life-experiences and are they stored somewhere? However, that is more of a metaphysical approach to life, though.

There is enough order in life to make me appreciate strict interpretations of science. There are also enough unknowns about life and enough chaos to make me realize that the chance of there being something larger than the picture we see is quite possible -- if not definitely real.
 
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