Prosecutors Move For Mistrial As Jury Has Been Tainted By Clear Video Evidence Of Kyle Rittenhouse

[TreeFrogTrader]

Hey isn't the absence of a verdict by now a (somewhat) bad sign for the defense?

Yeh, maybe, that would follow the traditional thinking of how it goes.

But I belong somewhat to the school of thought that says that the judge issued the jury instructions from hell so you have to assume that in this case more time is needed just for them to wrestle with the language of the instructions along with assessing the facts.

As Dershowitz said: "I have been teaching law for 50 years and could not follow those instructions." He is not even remotely alone in that type of comment.

And I did note that judge said "this a complicated case, in fact the most complicated I have ever had" at one point.

So this is a tough one for the jury and I am not sure it follow the same time line as most other cases. Probably need to throw at least a couple extra days in there.

 

[smallfil]

Hey isn't the absence of a verdict by now a (somewhat) bad sign for the defense?

I hope they come out with a verdict soon and unanimous, not guilty too. Having sat on a number of jury panels, there is always one juror who goes against the grain even in the face of overwhelming evidence. That is the reality of it.

 

[VEGASDESERT]

Rittenhouse is what happens when elected adults take a vacation from there duty to protect citizens and enforce the rule of law.

Mayor, Governor, city council, congressman, senators..

They should be on trial not Rittenhouse.

 

[userque]

He's just another, in a long line of teenage, incel, domestic terrorists, who have become the heroes of fat, inbred, clueless, girly men throughout the hills and hollers of this nation.

 

[gwb-trading]

Rittenhouse is what happens when elected adults take a vacation from there duty to protect citizens and enforce the rule of law.

Mayor, Governor, city council, congressman, senators..

They should be on trial not Rittenhouse.

Yep... as has been discussed before when you allow rioters to run freely in a city while the police & politicians back away from stopping the situation --- it leads to citizens arming and organizing themselves to protect their businesses, lives, homes, and property.

In other words it leads to the rise of Citizen Militias.... a topic that has been discussed previously.
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-rise-of-citizen-militias.349808/

 

[El OchoCinco]

Rittenhouse is what happens when elected adults take a vacation from there duty to protect citizens and enforce the rule of law.

Mayor, Governor, city council, congressman, senators..

They should be on trial not Rittenhouse.

That is the point... this is the purview of the police and political leaders and those with property interests damaged have a civil case against the city.

But when a police officer fails to do their job, there is no right of a citizen to take a weapon illegally and insert themself in and kill people. (Assault is not punishable by death).

If a guy goes through a stop sign do I have a right to ram his car becuase the police car did not chase him down?

 

[gwb-trading]

That is the point... this is the purview of the police and political leaders and those with property interests damaged have a civil case against the city.

But when a police officer fails to do their job, there is no right of a citizen to take a weapon illegally and insert themself in and kill people. (Assault is not punishable by death).

If a guy goes through a stop sign do I have a right to ram his car becuase the police car did not chase him down?

Actually U.S. cities formerly were financially responsible for property damage occurring riots. Due to this police and politicians prior the 1970s did their best to stamp down on riots and avoid the financial consequences. Since the 1960s/70s they are no longer financially responsible for property damages which occur during riots (or "civil unrest"). Hence the politicians and police don't really give a damn about stopping riots today by applying firm measures.

 

[smallfil]

Prosecutors witheld evidence and I hope the judge throws it out and declares a mistrial with prejudice to end it. Defense is asking the judge for a mistrial.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Prosecutors witheld evidence and I hope the judge throws it out and declares a mistrial with prejudice to end it. Defense is asking the judge for a mistrial.

The jury is asking to see a video again.

We don't know yet but if it is the one that the prosecutor withheld (prosecution provided a copy but low resolution when higher was available) then that motion for dismissal will loom larger. We will see very shortly.

 

[UsualName]

Yep... as has been discussed before when you allow rioters to run freely in a city while the police & politicians back away from stopping the situation --- it leads to citizens arming and organizing themselves to protect their businesses, lives, homes, and property.

In other words it leads to the rise of Citizen Militias.... a topic that has been discussed previously.
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-rise-of-citizen-militias.349808/

This is the problem with the Rittenhouse case and what makes this trial so complicated, he was not there for any interest beyond his own personal interests. He had no property or business in the area and was not sanctioned or contracted to provide security. As a matter of fact he was in violation of a legal curfew.

Had he been a property owner, security agent, or sanctioned through law enforcement this case would not be so complicated.

Add on top of all of this that now carrying an AR 15 is sanctioned under the law in Wisconsin and it’s a recipe for total lawlessness due to this case. Theoretically, if a precedent is set, one can show up to an event they oppose carrying an AR 15 put yourself in the middle of a crowd you oppose and at the first instance of threat you can legally start shooting people. The randomness of chaos in many situations would lead to legal shootings, shootouts whatever.

People are going to look at this from a lot of angles but there is a potential to be a Rittenhouse precedent depending on where this jury lands.