Predestination


Jesuism, also called Jesusism or Jesuanism, is a term for the teachings of Jesus in distinction to the teachings of mainstream Christianity.[1] In particular, the term is often contrasted with the theology attributed to Paul of Tarsus and mainstream church dogma.[2][3] While not being opposed to the Christian Bible or Church doctrine, Jesuism does not affirm their authority over the teachings of Jesus. As a philosophy, Owen Flanagan characterized Jesuism as naturalistic and rationalist, rejecting the conflict between faith and science.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuism

In 1878, freethinker and former Shaker D. M. Bennett wrote that "Jesuism", as distinct from "Paulism", was the gospel taught by Peter, John and James, and the Messianic doctrine of a new Jewish sect.[8] In 1894, American pathologist and atheist Frank Seaver Billings defined "Jesusism" as the "Christianity of the Gospels" and a philosophy which "can be attributed directly to the teachings of Jesus the Nazarene".[9][10] In 1909, the Seventh-day Adventist newspaper Signs of the Times, in an issue titled "Modern Christianity Not Jesusism", the question is posed: "Christianity of today is not the old original Christianity. It is not Jesusism, for it is not the religion which Jesus preached. Is it not time to make Christianity the religion which He personally preached and which He personally practiced?"[11] Harvard theologian Bouck White, in 1911, also defined "Jesusism" as "the religion which Jesus preached".[12] Lord Ernest Hamilton in 1912 wrote that "Jesuism" was simply to love one another and love God.[13] The philosophy of Jesusism was described in the book The Naked Truth of Jesusism from Oriental Manuscripts, penned by theologian Lyman Fairbanks George in 1914, as follows:

It is to restore Jesus' sayings to their original purity.
It is to eradicate from the Gospels the interpolations of the Middle Ages.
It is to relate the misconceptions revealed by recent archaeological research.
It is to present Jesus from an economic viewpoint.
It is to break through the spell spectral of Cosmic Credulity.
It is to toll the knell of schism through Jesusism.[14]
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its not a non sequitor at all.

We do not know if outside of universe there is another universe with a different version of time... or no time.
the only thing we know is that time in our universe started after the big bang.

We don't know if there is time outside our universe.


stu said:
According to you, "There could be that universes version of time.." is a non sequitur:D

Still contradicting yourself after all these years and still can't see it, or just in a constant state of denial. Amazing.


However, a version of time is still...... time ...or nothing happens.
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from your link...

"Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James"[12] and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity.[13][1][2][14][15][16]

Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist also to be authentic and not a Christian interpolation.[17][18][19]"

this almost by definition makes Jesus an historical figure.


yes... there is a debate about another passage but that does not make jesus less of a historical figure. i



 
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gwb-trading said:
Are our entire lives predestined?

Predestination (as a doctrine in Christian theology) the divine foreordaining of all that will happen, especially with regard to the salvation of some and not others. It has been particularly associated with the teachings of St. Augustine of Hippo and of Calvin.
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Mostly right.But its NOT '' foreordaining all that will happen'' Did God know the king of Egypt would be a Hebrew hater+ God hater+ do so much stupid stuff, that God would drown the king of Egypt. Yes; but its the king of Egypt's fault.......................................................
 
Wallet said:
I believe that it requires both sides, God's Election and Man's free will.

Something to consider.

Romans 9:17-23


For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
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Good points. And in book of Exodus, which gets quite detailed, the LORD warned that Hebrew hater- God hater to let the Jews go, many times. The king of Egypt hardened his heart first, several times. The same sun that hardens clay; melts butter.
 
Repeating yourself isn't an answer.

Explain how "another universe with a different version of time..." wouldn't still be a universe with the characteristics of time.
Explain how a universe with "no time..." would have any time to exist.

"We" do know when things happen, time happens too.
A universe or a god would need time to happen, like everything does.

jem said:
its not a non sequitor at all.

We do not know if outside of universe there is another universe with a different version of time... or no time.
the only thing we know is that time in our universe started after the big bang.

We don't know if there is time outside our universe.
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murray t turtle said:
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Good points. And in book of Exodus, which gets quite detailed, the LORD warned that Hebrew hater- God hater to let the Jews go, many times. The king of Egypt hardened his heart first, several times. The same sun that hardens clay; melts butter.
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‘God Told Me to Do It’: The Dangers of America’s Lunatic Right

By Peter Sterry
Global Research, April 20, 2015

http://www.globalresearch.ca/god-told-me-to-do-it-the-dangers-of-americas-lunatic-right/5443935

Preachers and snake oil salesmen are one thing, but heads of state are another. When God speaks to political leaders these days, it seems that all God wants to talk about is war. On this count, both the US President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair claimed that, ‘God told me to bomb and occupy Iraq.’ We should all understand the dangers of mixing religion with geopolitics by now.
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what the hell are you talking about?
you made a statement that you can't support.
don't try and misrepresent the simple statement I am making.

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2. Your statement is the one that can't be proven.

Stu said...
""We" do know when things happen, time happens too.
A universe or a god would need time to happen, like everything does."

prove your statement...

you can't because we can take our math back through the big bang. in fact math and our universes fundamental laws and time all begin a fraction of a second after the big bang. you me and everyone else has no idea what happened "before" that. There may be no time and no before or after.

So stop acting like you know something... you don't


stu said:
Repeating yourself isn't an answer.

Explain how "another universe with a different version of time..." wouldn't still be a universe with the characteristics of time.
Explain how a universe with "no time..." would have any time to exist.

"We" do know when things happen, time happens too.
A universe or a god would need time to happen, like everything does.
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