Great quotes/questions O Trader/OTrender.Mostly fair,about 80%-90-95% Big Picture.many people think the old testament is for Israel/Jews-repenters+ new testament is for repenters-Christians-church. All of the bible is for all, including the 7th book book of Judges. Thanks OTrader/O Trender........................................................................................
Good points;O Trader OTrender; good thing you have good mind. The devil told Jesus Christ to ''jump off'' The Living Bible puts it that way; not so people would mindlessly jump!! It' s a warning about the devil + his pattern.. Some do not realize the devil can put evil thoughts into thier mind+ some think they are simply stupid/or have a death wish. Thank;O TrenderExactly! The Bible books, a collection of cultures-narrated stories, are for All to read, not only believers - as the believers usually think.
The books include not only God's words (inspirations), but also Satan's words - such as the conversations/words for testing Jesus several times!
Claiming that the books were written/inspired by God's Spirit should be interesting.
Obviously, God allows Satan's evil works to exist, within His plan!
LOL
God's word, god's plan, god's "inspirations"
Deuteronomy 13:6
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
An atheist may be too sensitive to the term God nowadays. Partly/mainly due to the God concept is not/never scientific enough.
However according to Stoicism, which was the most popular philosophy during Jesus' era, the construct of God was/is a very scientific one.
God, the nature and natural laws, purposeful/deterministic intelligence, fate and causality, divine reasons and Logos, rational truth and facts, Zeus, the universe and universal laws, cosmos and cosmic laws, divine providence, etc. etc. are all in one.
A Holistic construct that recognises (and beyond) the limitations of human words, vocabulary and writings, or any man-made theories, concepts, constructs, definitions, and imaginations.
Science can be considered as a never-ending process of helping humans to explore more and more knowledge and understanding of this God.
Exactly! The Bible books, a collection of cultures-narrated stories, are for All to read, not only believers - as the believers usually think.
The books include not only God's words (inspirations), but also Satan's words - such as the conversations/words for testing Jesus several times!
Claiming that the books were written/inspired by God's Spirit should be interesting.
Obviously, God allows Satan's evil works to exist, within His plan!
LOL
Show them no pity. Do not spare them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death. Stone them to death
Bad Bible joojoo OT.
Ok, then in context, seemingly you were predestined to be a jerk.
For goodness sake it supports itself.you make a statement about time which you can't support...
Painting yourself into a corner is not me quoting you out of context. I asked you to explain yourself twice and you've twice dodged now. Third time and a friggin cock is going to crow you know.... so instead of discussing your irrational statement you try to quote me out of context.
the context and title of this thread is predestination.
obviously, einstein, that discussion presumes a maker.
...presupposes jack shit.God exists outside of time because he is outside our universe.
That text of the Old Testament Judeao-Christian Bible God is the call for believers to kill their own family and any other non believers by their own hand.I'd better leave it to some experts in Old Testament books.