Pelosi Impeachment Inquiry

[Buy1Sell2]

no question is dumb even for a dumb cunt like you.
pubs have the votes to bring in Bidens now, they chose not to do it. the fact is even as guilty and corrupt as Hunter Biden (i hope he gets caught btw) is, the president still abused his power to ask for an investigation into his opponent by playing the Ukrainians. I hope both Biden and Orange go away, sacrificing Biden to gain credibility and electability capital is a plus for the Dems, it helps their other shitty candidates.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-allegations-would-not-constitute-impeachable
Dershowitz: Bolton allegations would not constitute impeachable offense
“If any president had done what The [New York] Times reported about the content of the Bolton manuscript, that would not constitute an impeachable offense,” Dershowitz said during lengthy remarks from the Senate floor Monday night.

“Let me repeat: Nothing in the Bolton revelations, even if true, would rise to the level of an abuse of power or an impeachable offense. That is clear from the history. That is clear from the language of the Constitution,” he continued.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Maybe its all a ploy to keep Bernie in DC and Joe on the ticket.

I dont believe that but I see several pubs putting that right in the face of dems just to piss them off and feed into all their fears- so I am all for it.

Problem is though, Bernie sent AOC out on the trail to shake her guns and she is getting even more votes for Bernie than if Bernie were there. I heard roundabout that El Cocho stood in line for three hours to get a selfie with AOC. And when an MSDNC reporter asked him what he thought of AOC, he was heard to say: "I'd tap that." Thus confirming that there was enthusiasm in the crowd.

Meanwhile, Joe is out campaigning with John Kerry as his back-up singer.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

Ok I'm confused.... "the Dems would challenge".... well, why wouldn't the Pubs challenge Bolton then? If you can challenge which witnesses get to show up, doesn't this render you guy's back and forward for the last 30 posts inconsequential? And who decides who wins the challenge?

Also, if the Dems drag things out, I'm sure Bernie and Pokey won't be too happy having to balance the trail with sitting through all the Senate bs. Right? Maybe its all a ploy to keep Bernie in DC and Joe on the ticket.

Edit: Ok I was typing when you answered TF.

Both sides will challenge (or at least could) each witness and this would drag on forever. The idea of impeachment is for The House to investigate and for the Senate to pass judgement on The Articles.

 

[UsualName]

Ok I'm confused.... "the Dems would challenge".... well, why wouldn't the Pubs challenge Bolton then? If you can challenge which witnesses get to show up, doesn't this render you guy's back and forward for the last 30 posts inconsequential? And who decides who wins the challenge?

Also, if the Dems drag things out, I'm sure Bernie and Pokey won't be too happy having to balance the trail with sitting through all the Senate bs. Right? Maybe its all a ploy to keep Bernie in DC and Joe on the ticket.

Edit: Ok I was typing when you answered TF.

No. Don’t believe what buy and tree are telling you. Believe what people actually in the fight are doing.

Trump’s team is opposing witnesses and democrats are proposing witnesses. The reason is simply because witnesses will help uphold the charges against Trump.

Nothing more, nothing less.

All of this talk about the Biden’s is simply a talking point. If for second Trump’s team thought a Biden interview would be exculpatory then McConnell would have had witnesses in the originally voted on rules.

The Biden stuff is all bluster because there is nothing else they can threaten. Democrats hear them loud and clear and are still saying bring on the witnesses.

 

[vanzandt]

I heard roundabout that El Cocho stood in line for three hours to get a selfie with AOC. And when an MSDNC reporter asked him what he thought of AOC, he was heard to say: "I'd tap that." Thus confirming that there was enthusiasm in the crowd.

 

[UsualName]

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-allegations-would-not-constitute-impeachable
Dershowitz: Bolton allegations would not constitute impeachable offense
“If any president had done what The [New York] Times reported about the content of the Bolton manuscript, that would not constitute an impeachable offense,” Dershowitz said during lengthy remarks from the Senate floor Monday night.

“Let me repeat: Nothing in the Bolton revelations, even if true, would rise to the level of an abuse of power or an impeachable offense. That is clear from the history. That is clear from the language of the Constitution,” he continued.

Alan Dershowitz apparently believes piracy is the only impeachable offense, just like you.

Yo ho Ho Ho and a bottle rum.

 

[jem]

I realize you have not studied jurisprudence but have you ever tried to see both sides of the issue instead of only the propublica side?

You were so dead ass wrong on all the crap you were claiming about Trump and prosecutions and immunity from prosecution... I would have thought you would have learned to be more equivocal by now.

The justifications for executive privilege do not disappear because there is an impeachment trial.
You could argue the reason why we have privilege is illustrated by this exact scenario....Because the opposition party might conjure up a potentially phony impeachment...
And presidents need to know their conversations shall remain private. For myraid reasons.

In my opinion if you are ever going to make exceptions to privilege the exceptions should be very limited. One reasonable limitation might be when an actual crime is alleged with strong supporting evidence for each element of the allged crime.

But... I understand there are other arguments.

It is logical there can be no executive privilege in an impeachment trial, so long as communications alleged to be privileged can be shown to be relevant and necessary to Congress's carrying out its Constitutional role.

 

[vanzandt]

No. Don’t believe what buy and tree are telling you. Believe what people actually in the fight are doing.

Trump’s team is opposing witnesses and democrats are proposing witnesses. The reason is simply because witnesses will help uphold the charges against Trump.

Nothing more, nothing less.

All of this talk about the Biden’s is simply a talking point. If for second Trump’s team thought a Biden interview would be exculpatory then McConnell would have had witnesses in the originally voted on rules.

The Biden stuff is all bluster because there is nothing else they can threaten. Democrats hear them loud and clear and are still saying bring on the witnesses.

That sounds reasonable. Good point about the Turtle writing it into the rules, I'm sure you're right about that. Or at least it would seem like he would have.

 

[piezoe]

The justifications for executive privilege do not disappear because there is an impeachment trial.

The justification may, in fact, according to the Court, disappear in specific circumstances. That is, so long as what is claimed as privileged by one Branch can be shown to be necessary to another Branch in the fulfilling of its Constitutional mandate, the privilege may disappear. At least that was the clear message from the Court in U.S. v Nixon. I.E., the Executive Privilege of one branch must not be allowed to thwart the proper functioning of another Branch. I agree with the Court on this point.

In camera functioning of tribunals provides the means to handle a situation in which a privileged communication must be kept from the public eye. But in the case of an impeachment tribunal it is difficult to imagine such a situation. Trump will not be able to block Bolton's testimony with regard to his (Trump's) reason for withholding military support to Ukraine by claiming a conversation with Bolton, to this effect, is privileged.

 

[SunTrader]

Dump only got his panties in a bunch about Biden and "corruption" once Biden announced he would run in 2020.

Dump's own hand-picked AG Barr has yet to open any kind of Biden "corruption" investigation.

How come? Oh right deeeeeeeeeeep state lol.