Pelosi Impeachment Inquiry

[El OchoCinco]

I dont believe that but I see several pubs putting that right in the face of dems just to piss them off and feed into all their fears- so I am all for it.

Problem is though, Bernie sent AOC out on the trail to shake her guns and she is getting even more votes for Bernie than if Bernie were there. I heard roundabout that El Cocho stood in line for three hours to get a selfie with AOC. And when an MSDNC reporter asked him what he thought of AOC, he was heard to say: "I'd tap that." Thus confirming that there was enthusiasm in the crowd.

Meanwhile, Joe is out campaigning with John Kerry as his back-up singer.

Excuse me...I said "I would HIT that.."

 

[WeToddDid2]

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/202...ions-of-government-into-impeachable-conduct/#

Law Professor: Democrats Are Parsing Trump’s Motives to Turn ‘Legitimate Actions of Government’ into ‘Impeachable Conduct’

Yoo went on, “Things that are perfectly legitimate actions of government are transformed into misdeeds and even into impeachable conduct just because [Democrats] think President Trump has the wrong motives or state of mind. That is impossible to prove, and if you allow a Congress to impeach presidents in the future just for things they think or [for having] a bad motive — but the actions themselves are perfectly legitimate — you would destroy the independence of the presidency, which would, I think, do long-term harm to the country.”

 

[constitutionman]

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-allegations-would-not-constitute-impeachable
Dershowitz: Bolton allegations would not constitute impeachable offense
“If any president had done what The [New York] Times reported about the content of the Bolton manuscript, that would not constitute an impeachable offense,” Dershowitz said during lengthy remarks from the Senate floor Monday night.

“Let me repeat: Nothing in the Bolton revelations, even if true, would rise to the level of an abuse of power or an impeachable offense. That is clear from the history. That is clear from the language of the Constitution,” he continued.

just an opinion. nothing more or less. he also thought OJ should walk.

 

[jem]

"The justification may, in fact, according to the Court, disappear in specific circumstances."

thanks for perfectly buttressing my argument... and destroying your own.

now maybe you will cease pretending there is only one side when you make arguments about jurisprudence.

2.
By the way... I see you realized that the in camera issue would also cut against you...

So once again you are forced to make specious argument about it not applying in an impeachment.

If immediate decisions were needed Why would it not be wise to have someone like the Chief Justice review the evidence to see if its probative value outweighed its potential harms.

If it were a really important piece of evidence which could also do great harm... I am sure the Chief Justice could find away to bring the Full Supreme Court in. (there are always exceptions to every rule.)

The justification may, in fact, according to the Court, disappear in specific circumstances. That is, so long as what is claimed as privileged by one Branch can be shown to be necessary to another Branch in the fulfilling of its Constitutional mandate, the privilege may disappear. At least that was the clear message from the Court in U.S. v Nixon. I.E., the Executive Privilege of one branch must not be allowed to thwart the proper functioning of another Branch. I agree with the Court on this point.

In camera functioning of tribunals provides the means to handle a situation in which a privileged communication must be kept from the public eye. But in the case of an impeachment tribunal it is difficult to imagine such a situation. Trump will not be able to block Bolton's testimony with regard to his (Trump's) reason for withholding military support to Ukraine by claiming a conversation with Bolton, to this effect, is privileged.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

That sounds reasonable. Good point about the Turtle writing it into the rules, I'm sure you're right about that. Or at least it would seem like he would have.

You do understand that the Idiot Dems will have a big problem with having The Biden's and Bullschiff called correct? Idiot Rino Romney will be fine with not having Biden's and Bullschiff appear. UnusuallyLame doesn't understand the process but is happy cherry picking things that fit his narrative.

 

[jem]

just so all the viewers can play along...
this is the statement I called bullshit on.

now piezoe is citing case law which agrees that privilege may be overridden in limited circumstances.
Incidently... that is exactly what I said.

Every lawyer who has ever tried a case or argued an appeal knows there are exceptions to almost every rule.

Every person who understands what the Supreme Court is all about understands that in our system there are frequently collision between people's and state's rights and constitutional rights. You don't just pretend there is only one possible solution.

The rights impacted by these collisions are are weighed. Laws are crafted with these rights and principles in mind.

This is what jurisprudence is all about.

Propagandists like piezoe pretend the state and its cronies are always correct.

It is logical there can be no executive privilege in an impeachment trial, so long as communications alleged to be privileged can be shown to be relevant and necessary to Congress's carrying out its Constitutional role.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

just an opinion. nothing more or less. he also thought OJ should walk.

OJ DID walk.

 

[Black_Cat]

 

[LacesOut]

the president still abused his power to ask for an investigation into his opponent by playing the Ukrainians.

LIE
WRONG
BULLSHIT

 

[jem]

this is the entire problem in a nut shell.

lefties assert this as if it fact and law. I have a friend who studied physics and engineering in college... (not his degree but a smart guy...) making this argument a few days ago.

He is so wound up... he could not even think that perhaps it does not matter that Trump asked for the investigation...

seriously... he could not accept any other concepts... but that he should be impeached just because he asked for the investigation.....

so let's look at this.

"the president still abused his power to ask for an investigation into his opponent by playing the Ukrainians"

1... for the sake of "untriggering" ... this is 1 possibility. he abused his power....


but let's look at the possibilities.

2. its possible trump could have asked for the investigation and it was not an abuse of power.
3. its possible it was an abuse of power but not an impeachable offense.
4. its possible that Trump had more than one motive. and you could argue if one was legitimate it should not be an impeachable offense.
5. it is arguable that the President should look into corruption before letting the money be released.
6. all of this might not even be an issue if biden were not running.

Finally... and this point is beyond every lefty I have ever met....


its possible that what the democrats are doing and what the republicans are doing...is all bullshit in the tradition of the partisan establishment bullshit we have been seeing for years.

Rome is being looted - fire up the Circus and distract the morons / citizens.

Meet the new boss... same as the old boss...