On race relations in the United States

Well, everywhere in the world we find large numbers of blacks generally has some salient common features. I think the empirical evidence illustrates this very well. If that weren't the case, Rhodesia and South Africa wouldn't have turned from great natioins with high living standards right back in to shit holes as soon as Africans took back over and removed white people from power.

No offense intended but I think your take is a bit "racist", and let me explain why. You impute the expectation that blacks and mexicans will "take care of their own business" in the "right environment" And yet, no matter what the environment: hand outs and victim status with preferrential hiring and academic schemes and under oppressive discrimination. The outcome seems to vary little. The notion that these people need to conform to your white, western standards and if they do not that this means there's something "wrong" with them, and they need to be "fixed" so that they can be more like you. The assumption that the could, would, or should conform to your standards and your concept of achievement is in itself very supremacist. What's clear is that many groups have different kinds of societies which they prefer to create.

I agree with part of your point however- forced integration was the worst thing to happen to American blacks in quite some time. Many of them, at the time, did not want integration and did not want to be bused to attend white schools. Most wanted Jim Crow gone, and equal rights, but did not want busing and so forth.



Quote from jem:

In my opinion, we have no evidence blacks or mexicans will not take care of their own business in the right environment.

Blacks owned and had thriving businesses during segregation. If you look at old pictures of the black business areas in D.C. it was very impressive.

I suspect Harlem was as well.

The problem is the the Democrats embarked on policies which made them dependent and took away the need for the dad to stay home and take care of the family.

And while "social services" are not minority only, they are very rascist... white people are frequently told to go away unless they become disabled.

One of the economists from the austrian school predicted unwed moms was going to become a booming class in america when he saw the economic incentives for it.

So, if we turned welfare to workfare. If people were allowed to keep some medical benes as they got jobs... if familys got to keep more when they stay together... you would see our underclass shrink.

the problem with america is the race hustlers and the fact that democrats know they need a big underclass and larger govt to serve them to keep their party alive.

In short I believe the marketplace needs to be changed.

If you give a person a choice... they get 1500 a month plus housing for doing nothing... or they have to go to work...

who is going to start out working at the bottom of the ladder for 10 dollars an hour.

I tell you, right now I know a lot a white people who think they would have been better off on the govt dole their whole lives and keeping healthy, rather than working than asses off and having to start all over again in this market.
 
Quote from Artful D0dger:

Well, everywhere in the world we find large numbers of blacks generally has some salient common features. I think the empirical evidence illustrates this very well. If that weren't the case, Rhodesia and South Africa wouldn't have turned from great natioins with high living standards right back in to shit holes as soon as Africans took back over and removed white people from power.

No offense intended but I think your take is a bit "racist", and let me explain why. You impute the expectation that blacks and mexicans will "take care of their own business" in the "right environment" And yet, no matter what the environment: hand outs and victim status with preferrential hiring and academic schemes and under oppressive discrimination. The outcome seems to vary little.

That's where you're wrong, I know of great variance. And knock off with the Herrnstein/Murray detached writing tone, I read it and I know where you're copying from.
 
Quote from FortuneTeller:

You are not white you dumb asshole. Who knows or cares what you are. Your stupid as shit. Dumber than hell. Retarded or a moron or an idiot. I am surprised you can type. Or is your mommy doing that for you? Maybe your retarded inbred sister is helping you?

Your showing how stupid you are by saying Seattle is all white? You have never been out of your mommy's basement apparently. I bet you don't even trade either. Probably on welfare waiting to get your disabilty for being a retarded, depressed Obama voting democrat. What a loser! LOL

And now you want to crap on Chicago? Wow are you pathetic! What city you going to pick on next, New York? Miami? Duh...

Since you know WA state so well it's obvious you come from WA. Either that or you are still in school and learning geography?... Do they even waste their time on teaching this to retards?

Pull up numbers? You mean pull then out of your ass right? Isn't that where you keep most of what you are worth? ha ha

Don't lose too much on the simulator today... :D

lol your Wenatchee is showing.

So if your mom fucked her brother doesn't that mean that your father is also your uncle? Your family reunions must be a riot. :D

Eastern WA inbreeding ehehe. I'll bet you are married to a first cousin. Freaking whitebread rednecks are the reason Walmart exsts.
 
Quote from Artful D0dger:

LOL! Well who tinkled in your cheerios this morning princess?

I couldn't be considered "racist" by any objective measure. I believe in complete freedom of association, and don't seek to dominate anyone. Nor do I advocate that members of one group should have more or different legal rights than another group. I have never suggested that legal rights out to be based on race. I don't hate anyone, and believe equal standards should be applied to all groups.

A conservative? I'm certainly conservative on some issues, and very liberal on others. A republican? LOL fuck that. They're way too liberal and statist for me...

Don't worry about me though, I'm quite comfortable where I am. I also evaluate character and accomplishment on a case-by-case basis, when I'm evaluating individual men and women. It makes little sense to do that when evaluating a group however. Of course many members of any group will deviate from the norms. However, that doesn't mean groups can not be accurately evaluated.

Yes, good looking black women are extremely rare, and I get out quite a bit. That's how I know. LOL! Certainly there are some attractive black women. But out of 100 white vs 100 black women, there will be MANY more attractive white women, according to my taste at least.

We get it. You are a racist, a bigot and imho a bit of an elitest asshole. Evidently your parents passed their hatreds on to you and filled you with fear of the "others". It would be sad except that you seem to be a deserving prick. There are fewer of you left with each passing day so time is on our side.

What are you so afraid of?
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

There are fewer of you left with each passing day so time is on our side.

I don't know man. Discrimination, hate, war, slavery and segregation based on race, skin color, tribal loyalties, religion and the like have been going on since the beginning of recorded history and almost certainly way before that. With the exception of relatively small pockets of liberal pro multiculturalism (which seems to be unraveling) I don't see any major changes in human nature on the immediate horizon.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

I don't know man. Discrimination, hate, war, slavery and segregation based on race, skin color, tribal loyalties, religion and the like have been going on since the beginning of recorded history and almost certainly way before that. With the exception of relatively small pockets of liberal pro multiculturalism (which seems to be unraveling) I don't see any major changes in human nature on the immediate horizon.

sarcasm
Ahh, then it's important that we don't waste time trying.
/sarcasm
 
Quote from Ricter:

sarcasm
Ahh, then it's important that we don't waste time trying.
/sarcasm

YOU are welcome to try all you want, just don't force me to try with you. And keep in mind you're trying to change human nature, GL with that.
 
World Peace is a fool's errand.

Quote from Lucrum:

I don't know man. Discrimination, hate, war, slavery and segregation based on race, skin color, tribal loyalties, religion and the like have been going on since the beginning of recorded history and almost certainly way before that. With the exception of relatively small pockets of liberal pro multiculturalism (which seems to be unraveling) I don't see any major changes in human nature on the immediate horizon.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

YOU are welcome to try all you want, just don't force me to try with you. And keep in mind you're trying to change human nature, GL with that.

Then you can quit bitching about gangs of the poor trying to take your money. But... bitching is human nature, too. Carry on.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Then you can quit bitching about gangs of the poor trying to take your money.
As usual that doesn't make any sense. The poor taking my money through forced taxation/welfare IS the same as making me "try" with you.
 
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