Well, everywhere in the world we find large numbers of blacks generally has some salient common features. I think the empirical evidence illustrates this very well. If that weren't the case, Rhodesia and South Africa wouldn't have turned from great natioins with high living standards right back in to shit holes as soon as Africans took back over and removed white people from power.
No offense intended but I think your take is a bit "racist", and let me explain why. You impute the expectation that blacks and mexicans will "take care of their own business" in the "right environment" And yet, no matter what the environment: hand outs and victim status with preferrential hiring and academic schemes and under oppressive discrimination. The outcome seems to vary little. The notion that these people need to conform to your white, western standards and if they do not that this means there's something "wrong" with them, and they need to be "fixed" so that they can be more like you. The assumption that the could, would, or should conform to your standards and your concept of achievement is in itself very supremacist. What's clear is that many groups have different kinds of societies which they prefer to create.
I agree with part of your point however- forced integration was the worst thing to happen to American blacks in quite some time. Many of them, at the time, did not want integration and did not want to be bused to attend white schools. Most wanted Jim Crow gone, and equal rights, but did not want busing and so forth.
No offense intended but I think your take is a bit "racist", and let me explain why. You impute the expectation that blacks and mexicans will "take care of their own business" in the "right environment" And yet, no matter what the environment: hand outs and victim status with preferrential hiring and academic schemes and under oppressive discrimination. The outcome seems to vary little. The notion that these people need to conform to your white, western standards and if they do not that this means there's something "wrong" with them, and they need to be "fixed" so that they can be more like you. The assumption that the could, would, or should conform to your standards and your concept of achievement is in itself very supremacist. What's clear is that many groups have different kinds of societies which they prefer to create.
I agree with part of your point however- forced integration was the worst thing to happen to American blacks in quite some time. Many of them, at the time, did not want integration and did not want to be bused to attend white schools. Most wanted Jim Crow gone, and equal rights, but did not want busing and so forth.
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In my opinion, we have no evidence blacks or mexicans will not take care of their own business in the right environment.
Blacks owned and had thriving businesses during segregation. If you look at old pictures of the black business areas in D.C. it was very impressive.
I suspect Harlem was as well.
The problem is the the Democrats embarked on policies which made them dependent and took away the need for the dad to stay home and take care of the family.
And while "social services" are not minority only, they are very rascist... white people are frequently told to go away unless they become disabled.
One of the economists from the austrian school predicted unwed moms was going to become a booming class in america when he saw the economic incentives for it.
So, if we turned welfare to workfare. If people were allowed to keep some medical benes as they got jobs... if familys got to keep more when they stay together... you would see our underclass shrink.
the problem with america is the race hustlers and the fact that democrats know they need a big underclass and larger govt to serve them to keep their party alive.
In short I believe the marketplace needs to be changed.
If you give a person a choice... they get 1500 a month plus housing for doing nothing... or they have to go to work...
who is going to start out working at the bottom of the ladder for 10 dollars an hour.
I tell you, right now I know a lot a white people who think they would have been better off on the govt dole their whole lives and keeping healthy, rather than working than asses off and having to start all over again in this market.