Omicron: Natural immunity idea ‘not really panning out'

Tsing Tao said:
You see, you guys like to cloud the problem with amalgamated data that pushes a narrative, but so many times digging into the data shows that it isn't anywhere near the problem it is being made out to be.
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Omicron was reported to target children proportionately more than other variants from the earliest reports out of South Africa.
 
El OchoCinco said:
But you agree you can spread if you caught it, especially asymptomatically, and you dont have a choice who you spread it to. I dont push any vax politics on anyone but when people want everyone around them to be as lax with their health protocols as they are, then you are spreading the same hypocrisy.

It is like a smoker who has no fear of lung cancer demanding to be able to smoke in front of people and telling them to get over it.

If you all want to say that keeping distances is a farce and mask wearing is not science (it is an airborne virus) and following cleaning protocols is Big Brother, then you are pushing your narrative on others around you just as you feel vaxxers are on you.

For me it is like parents whose kid has COVID and no symptoms and simply sends them to school because it is nothing and tells no one. Does that parent have any idea who their kid could be infecting? You cannot predict where a virus will spread (my son got it but we did not but we are in the same household and did not isolate him until he tested positive).

If your son tested positive would you keep him home from school for the required days or let him go to school.

It does not matter whether you are not vaccinated because that controls your own immune system. But it does matter if your belief in the nothingness of the virues leads you to not mitigate spreading it. for me that is the difference.
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Smoking has been shown to kill the person smoking, and second hand smoke has been shown without a doubt to conclusively harm anyone breathing it in. This is not at all - at all - like saying someone who has had a virus is now immune to that virus, and does not need to take a vaccine that has been short-cutted and doesn't stop the virus anyway!

If the vaccine - as is being chanted over and over here - protects us from serious COVID, but cannot stop us from transmitting it, then how does me not taking a vaccine risk anyone but ME? If you are vaccinated and protected from severe Covid, and me vaxxing doesn't stop me from giving it to you, I don't follow how this is a problem for you?
 
ipatent said:
Omicron was reported to target children proportionately more than other variants from the earliest reports out of South Africa.
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"reported to". Like the same folks that told us cloth masks were "reported to" block COVID?

Or different folks?
 
Tsing Tao said:
One of many links that provides no data at all. Just "Some top doctor in South Africa said so."

Don't care. Come back when you have numbers. Until then, you're wasting my time.
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The numbers in the U.S. and elsewhere on child hospitalizations in recent weeks are widely available and have been posted multiple times.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Smoking has been shown to kill the person smoking, and second hand smoke has been shown without a doubt to conclusively harm anyone breathing it in. This is not at all - at all - like saying someone who has had a virus is now immune to that virus, and does not need to take a vaccine that has been short-cutted and doesn't stop the virus anyway!

If the vaccine - as is being chanted over and over here - protects us from serious COVID, but cannot stop us from transmitting it, then how does me not taking a vaccine risk anyone but ME? If you are vaccinated and protected from severe Covid, and me vaxxing doesn't stop me from giving it to you, I don't follow how this is a problem for you?
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My post had nothing to do with vaxxing so you glossed over it and answered what you wanted to say before reading my post so...
 
Wife's granddaughter had covid-19 in 2020. She just got Covid again. Don't know if it is Omicron, but probably. Very sick and hard to breath on first infection (but no hospital). Just sort of flu-like sick second time. Still, no fun. She didn't see the need to get a vax (she's 20). I bet it would have prevented latest Covid infection. But then, if I was 20, doubt I would be wise enough to get vaxed either...

userque said:
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You should get a COVID-19 vaccine even if you already had COVID-19.

Getting sick with COVID-19 offers some protection from future illness with COVID-19, sometimes called “natural immunity.” The level of protection people get from having COVID-19 may vary depending on how mild or severe their illness was, the time since their infection, and their age. No currently available test can reliably determine if a person is protected from infection.

All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19. Getting a COVID-19 vaccine gives most people a high level of protection against COVID-19 even in people who have already been sick with COVID-19.

Emerging evidence shows that getting a COVID-19 vaccine after you recover from COVID-19 infection provides added protection to your immune system. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.

People who were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma or people who have a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C) may need to wait a while after recovering before they can get vaccinated. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html#:~:text=Yes, you should be,had COVID-19.

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Fauci says Covid boosters work against omicron, no need for variant-specific third shot
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/fau...no-need-for-variant-specific-third-shot-.html

I'd rather people just admit that they are behaving/believing illogically; rather than seeing them trying to convince others to believe in some sort of bizarro world logic.
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