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Materialists
- Thread starter ShoeshineBoy
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4. If Christ died for(in payment of ?) mans' sins, then why isn't the debt paid. The story goes that God created sin, God made sin unavoidable to mankind, God sent Christ (or God himself) to his death to pay for the sin which God created. Then that should be that. Why is there still sin available to mankind when the score should have been evened?
stu
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I believe it has been evened, at least between man and God. He couldn't even the score between man and man such as in murder.
I don't believe He created sin but if you extend the way He created us in that we are capable of and attracted to sin then you might conclude that.
Procreation is available to us but we can misuse that good desire for all kinds of sex sins. Why He created one way of doing things and then allowed us to misuse those things is a mystery to me. In all of nature and His creation there always seem to be give and take.
stu
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I believe it has been evened, at least between man and God. He couldn't even the score between man and man such as in murder.
I don't believe He created sin but if you extend the way He created us in that we are capable of and attracted to sin then you might conclude that.
Procreation is available to us but we can misuse that good desire for all kinds of sex sins. Why He created one way of doing things and then allowed us to misuse those things is a mystery to me. In all of nature and His creation there always seem to be give and take.
Shoe:
>1. It's past tense.
ROFLAO!!!!!!!!!! Shoe, it's the PARABLE that will most likely be told in present tense. ARE YOU KIDDING HERE. Quick...tell me a TRUE story from the past about your grandmother -- present tense? -- past tense? EXACTLY! If it is a true historical story of course it will be told in past tense. Your thinking is just amazing sometimes.
>2. There is no name to the poor man.
Actually it's the rich man that has no name.
Quick Shoe... Name the thief on the cross -- you know the one...he had an exchange with Jesus at the crucifixion and was forgiven and given access to heaven. What was his name again? ?? ??? Well that settles it -- the crucifixion is merely a parable.
WTF?
>Do you really believe there was a Lazarus that
>had a real conversation with Abraham?
That is the wrong question Shoe as I don't believe ANY of it. I'm simply pointing out your obvious inconsistencies and pickies and choosies.
>It's true this isn't the typical parable. But I
>just don't buy the idea that it's a real story
>that happened in the past.
Well, the reasons you have stated so far are so full of holes as to be galactic swiss cheese.
JB
PS: Off to dinner but a lot more to respond to here.
>1. It's past tense.
ROFLAO!!!!!!!!!! Shoe, it's the PARABLE that will most likely be told in present tense. ARE YOU KIDDING HERE. Quick...tell me a TRUE story from the past about your grandmother -- present tense? -- past tense? EXACTLY! If it is a true historical story of course it will be told in past tense. Your thinking is just amazing sometimes.
>2. There is no name to the poor man.
Actually it's the rich man that has no name.
Quick Shoe... Name the thief on the cross -- you know the one...he had an exchange with Jesus at the crucifixion and was forgiven and given access to heaven. What was his name again? ?? ??? Well that settles it -- the crucifixion is merely a parable.
WTF?
>Do you really believe there was a Lazarus that
>had a real conversation with Abraham?
That is the wrong question Shoe as I don't believe ANY of it. I'm simply pointing out your obvious inconsistencies and pickies and choosies.
>It's true this isn't the typical parable. But I
>just don't buy the idea that it's a real story
>that happened in the past.
Well, the reasons you have stated so far are so full of holes as to be galactic swiss cheese.
JB
PS: Off to dinner but a lot more to respond to here.
Any if you are free to commit any atrocity and still get into heaven
because you previously "Accepted christ", there is ALSO NO MORALITY.
peace
axeman
because you previously "Accepted christ", there is ALSO NO MORALITY.
peace
axeman
Quote from damir00:
without the ability and opportunity to make bad choices, there is no meaningful definition of morality. mark twain understood this very well...
There is no reason why mankind should have suffered the atrocities of Hitler et al, if the mistake God made by introducing sin in the first place had been atoned by Christ's death according to these stories . So how come Hitler was able to sin in that way? Why should those poor wretched people had to have suffered at the hand of that horrific monster if God's mistake had been paid for.
stu
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I guess the question is who is responsible for the sin, man or God.
You say God and I say man so we may just have to leave it there.
I need to pee again and I promise not to go near the pool and I promise I won't let my dog go near the pool as he is notorious especially if it is round as in tire. He really irritates me when he stakes out my pop can. Especially on a real hot day and I only brought one pop.
stu
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I guess the question is who is responsible for the sin, man or God.
You say God and I say man so we may just have to leave it there.
I need to pee again and I promise not to go near the pool and I promise I won't let my dog go near the pool as he is notorious especially if it is round as in tire. He really irritates me when he stakes out my pop can. Especially on a real hot day and I only brought one pop.