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Ok...so if jesus says something ONCE, I can ignore him,
twice, I can ignore him, but 3 times, oh ohhhh pay attention!!!

Did you get this "3 times rule" personally from Jesus Shoe?? :D

I want to know by what authority you can REJECT everything
in the bible not mentioned at least 3 times.

Why is that #3 so magical Shoe? :D

Cant wait to hear this one...should be good :p

peace

axeman

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2. Please claify. Is it that you are saying, God is supposed to have sacrificed his own life (if you follow the Trinity concept of things) or Christ's life (if you think Christ is the actual son of God), as atonement for the sin of man up to that point only ? If so, what was the purpose, was it to wipe the slate clean in some way ?
stu
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I am trying to say He died once for all the sins of mankind past, present, and future except the rejection of Him sin. He supposedly wiped the slate clean of the issue of mans' being denied entrance into heaven or eternal companionship with God because of sin.

What I am trying to get across is that the sins we commit here will be punished or accounted for here because they have been paid for as a block against our entering heaven. The sins we commit here will not be the cause of our being denied the entrance to heaven. The only issue in question on our entrance to heaven is our accepting or rejecting Him and His death to pay the penalty for our sins.

The sins we commit here will be dealt with here whether you are an atheist or theist. If either of us commit a murder chances are we will pay for it here. If we commit adultery we probably won't go to jail but there can be consequences and probably will be. I would say those child molesting priests are doing some paying right now and all of it here. If you observe closely sins are pretty much paid for right here and now.
 
Oooooh I get it!

So if some psychopath, molests 5000 children, ass rapes them,
slices them into little pieces, feeds them to their mothers,
then rapes the mothers, kills them too, murders the fathers,
and then drops a NUKE on every single city in the world
killing billions, as long as he accepts Jesus, he gets to get
into heaven because his sins have already been paid for.


Thanks for clarifying that Doubter.

peace

axeman




Quote from Doubter:
I am trying to say He died once for all the sins of mankind past, present, and future except the rejection of Him sin. He supposedly wiped the slate clean of the issue of mans' being denied entrance into heaven or eternal companionship with God because of sin.

What I am trying to get across is that the sins we commit here will be punished or accounted for here because they have been paid for as a block against our entering heaven. The sins we commit here will not be the cause of our being denied the entrance to heaven. The only issue in question on our entrance to heaven is our accepting or rejecting Him and His death to pay the penalty for our sins.

The sins we commit here will be dealt with here whether you are an atheist or theist. If either of us commit a murder chances are we will pay for it here. If we commit adultery we probably won't go to jail but there can be consequences and probably will be. I would say those child molesting priests are doing some paying right now and all of it here. If you observe closely sins are pretty much paid for right here and now. [/B]
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3. If Christ was supposed to have died 2000 odd years ago, you make a truism by saying yours [sin?] would be in the future don't you think? So were you born with or without 'original sin'?
stu
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First part, yes it is a truism.

Second part, born with original sin. (which had already been paid for, another truism)
 
too much here to deal with all at once, only have time for one example...

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but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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you are dealing with an extremely inaccurate translation of the greek text which itself was tranlisterating hebrew place names. what is being translated as "hell fire" is the greek term for the place on the outskirts of jerusalem where bones from temple offerings - burnt sacrifice - were discarded.
 
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Dude...slow down and read what I have written in the past. I am not trying to prove or disprove an *enternal* hell. I am only demonstrating that THERE IS NO SILENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and additionally that hell IS fiery in nature and is a torturous place (all things that you seem to want to disbelieve)

JB
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I never meant to imply hell is pleasant. I'm only wanting to combat the Dante's Inferno thing....
 
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the whole theory of a Miltonian hell is built on one semi-parable in the New Testament.
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it's worse than that: both milton and dante used a primary source that is apocrypha across *all* c'ian streams. but it's damn good literature!
 
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too much here to deal with all at once, only have time for one example...



you are dealing with an extremely inaccurate translation of the greek text which itself was tranlisterating hebrew place names. what is being translated as "hell fire" is the greek term for the place on the outskirts of jerusalem where bones from temple offerings - burnt sacrifice - were discarded.
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Yes! Specifically "Gehenna"...
 
Quote from axeman:

Ok...so if jesus says something ONCE, I can ignore him,
twice, I can ignore him, but 3 times, oh ohhhh pay attention!!!

Did you get this "3 times rule" personally from Jesus Shoe?? :D

I want to know by what authority you can REJECT everything
in the bible not mentioned at least 3 times.

Why is that #3 so magical Shoe? :D

Cant wait to hear this one...should be good :p

peace

axeman
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Just observation that scholars have made. Again, just an opinion...

It's also based on the biblical verse "out of...two or three witnesses.."
 
This is just soooo hilarious.

So basically, someone who has accepted Jesus,
IS FREE TO DO ANYTHING THEY WANT, including murder
and genocide and they STILL get to go to heaven.


And some theists call Atheists IMMORAL and CLAIM
that there is nothing to stop us from doing horrible things?!?!?!?


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Doubter just admitted you are free to commit to ANY ATROCITY
as a "believer"!!!

I guess its just the opposite.

The true hedonist, who can kill steal and murder his fellow man
for his own enjoyment ** WITH A GUARANTEE TO GET INTO HEAVEN***
is in fact the JESUS BELIEVER!!!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :p :p :p

Well since you are FREE to murder me for just any damn reason,
please stay away from me. You jesus freaks are the most
dangerous people on EARTH!!! You have a LICENSE TO KILL! LOL!


I cant stop laughing... this is so ironic and funny as hell!

My name is Christ.... Jesus Christ.... 007...license to kill baby. :p


peace

axeman
 
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