Materialists
- Thread starter ShoeshineBoy
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Hardly apples to oranges.
"more exactly, the comparison is of actions stemming from the physical extension of those disparate beliefs."
Exactly.... as the catholic encyclopedia confesses, the crusades
were on the behalf of christendom.
However, you have failed to show that stalin/mao killing
was on the behalf of atheism.
Further.... I supplied several other reasons Stalin killed people
as documented by history books.
You have an unsupported case.
"the simple truth is atheism, deism, monotheism, pantheism, polytheism, and every shade of gray between can - and are - the base beliefs of all sorts of horrors. no belief system is exempt from this."
Atheism in of itself is not a belief system. It is simply a lack of a
theistic belief system. Atheists have all kinds of different
belief systems, just not theistic ones.
peace
axeman
"more exactly, the comparison is of actions stemming from the physical extension of those disparate beliefs."
Exactly.... as the catholic encyclopedia confesses, the crusades
were on the behalf of christendom.
However, you have failed to show that stalin/mao killing
was on the behalf of atheism.
Further.... I supplied several other reasons Stalin killed people
as documented by history books.
You have an unsupported case.
"the simple truth is atheism, deism, monotheism, pantheism, polytheism, and every shade of gray between can - and are - the base beliefs of all sorts of horrors. no belief system is exempt from this."
Atheism in of itself is not a belief system. It is simply a lack of a
theistic belief system. Atheists have all kinds of different
belief systems, just not theistic ones.
peace
axeman
I had an admission? You smoking something? 
Religious leaders are more honest???
A blatantly unsupported assertion.
More honest than WHO???
I guess the pope was being honest when he sent
people to slaughter infidels??
I guess all those molesting priests were being honest too.
peace
axeman
Religious leaders are more honest???
A blatantly unsupported assertion.
More honest than WHO???
I guess the pope was being honest when he sent
people to slaughter infidels??
I guess all those molesting priests were being honest too.
peace
axeman
Quote from damir00:
the only admission here is yours: that we should always choose religious leaders because they are more honest. feel free to think about it for a bit before responding.
Hey... I agree he is a hypocritical christian like many,
but you would have a hard time convincing anyone he
was not a christian.
He claims to be a christian, and he is certainly recognized
as one by the christian community.
peace
axeman
but you would have a hard time convincing anyone he
was not a christian.
He claims to be a christian, and he is certainly recognized
as one by the christian community.
peace
axeman
Quote from damir00:
kidding about what? politics aside, bush is coke snorting booze guggling abortion procuring draft dodging insider trading pussy chasing child of extreme privilige. which of these qualities, exactly, are christian?
(in the theoretical sense, of course
perfect.
what you are saying is that because the church leadership says it is went to war because of religious ideals, you believe them.
why?
when a non-religious politician makes a claim, people normally looks past the statements made for public consumption to find the "real" reason for the actions. yet when a pope - a religious political leader - makes a statement you take it at face value rather than as pablum for the masses . if he said constantinople was torched for jesus, then by golly, that's why it was torched! it couldn't have been something as base as a power grab.
why?
because the pope said otherwise.
are you getting the irony here?
after all your nasty comments about religious leaders, you are in fact assigning to them a HIGHER level of integrity and honesty than you assign non-religious leaders.
delicious.
and the cognitive dissonance sets in...
you are exactly right, i am the one going inside the pope's head, and YOU are NOT. you are believing him!
why?
i am the theist showing distrust of a religious person, but you, who claim to be an atheist, are simply assuming he's telling the truth becuase he's a religious person! because he "said so".
lol.
if you really believed religious leaders were evil and untrustworthy, you would be digging in his head right along with me. but you're not, you're assuming he's honest and that his words can be taken at face value.
you are exactly right, i am the one going inside the pope's head, and YOU are NOT. you are believing him!
why?
i am the theist showing distrust of a religious person, but you, who claim to be an atheist, are simply assuming he's telling the truth becuase he's a religious person! because he "said so".
lol.
if you really believed religious leaders were evil and untrustworthy, you would be digging in his head right along with me. but you're not, you're assuming he's honest and that his words can be taken at face value.
Wow...I'll just take on one of those. Unless you are privy to information that others aren't, GB is a reformed alcoholic who has been dry for quite a number of years and is very open regarding the damage the drug did in his life.
In spite of this positive turnaround in his life does his boozing past somehow disqualify him from being a Chrisitan?
I'll be eagerly awaiting your reply.
JB
In spite of this positive turnaround in his life does his boozing past somehow disqualify him from being a Chrisitan?
I'll be eagerly awaiting your reply.
JB
Quote from damir00:
kidding about what? politics aside, bush is coke snorting booze guggling abortion procuring draft dodging insider trading pussy chasing child of extreme privilige. which of these qualities, exactly, are christian?
(in the theoretical sense, of course
