Materialists

I lack a belief in santa claus, so I killed a muslim.
I lack a belief in UFOs, so I slaughtered a million jews.
I lack a belief in big foot, so I murdered the family next door.


huh?


I hope people see the disconnect here :D
Stalin/Mao killed for a reason, but it wasnt because of a lack of
belief in something.


peace

axeman
 
And IRAQ is a religious war designed to kill muslims simply
because George Bush is a hard core christian??? :D


Isnt it interesting that when I read history on Joseph Stalin,
they NEVER mention ANYTHING about atheism???

You hear about his policy that causes the starvation of millions.
You hear about the tyrants paranoia, and how he executed
anyone he remotely suspected of being his enemy.
You hear about his demand for everyone to worship
mother russia.
You find a list of psychotic reasons, as to why he killed millions.


But you never read anything about his murderous motivations
being due to atheism in any way. How interesting.


peace

axeman



Quote from damir00:

not quite that simple. stalin and mao both killed millions in the name of anti-theism.
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Quote from Turok:

To attribute the massacres of Stalin/Mao to athiest killing theist over theological/philosophical differences shows an incredible and DANGEROUS lack of knowledge.
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they did it for power. which is the exact same reason "religious" based massacres happen: for power. you are conflating reason with justification...
 
Just out of curiosity:

if truth has no meaning and blackness is our fate, then

1) why does debate matter except as a form of entertainment

and

2) how can the value or quality of an individual's life be measured by anything except the personal happiness they experience during their brief existence.

If there are no long term consequences or absolute truths that matter beyond the now, then passionate debate of anything is illogical except to the degree in which it gives satisfaction or fulfillment to the debater.

If all is meaningless, then the value of knowledge is ultimately meaningless. In a world where there is no ultimate truth, how can the unhappy wise man logically condemn the happy fool, or claim himself superior?

By nihilism's own rationale, a bitter materialist is a failure at life, whereas a happy [fill in blank] is a success at life, regardless of who is right or wrong, because personal happiness is the only criteria that matters.

I therefore submit that atheists who condemn happy religious people are illogical hypocrites, and that miserable atheists, by their own criteria, are failures in the only respect that matters.
 
Quote from axeman:

I hope people see the disconnect here
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most assuredly there is a disconnect - you are comparing apples to oranges.

the issue isn't your lack of belief in A relative to someone elses belief in A. that is the wrong comparison. the correct comparison is your belief in B with someone elses belief in A. more exactly, the comparison is of actions stemming from the physical extension of those disparate beliefs.

the simple truth is atheism, deism, monotheism, pantheism, polytheism, and every shade of gray between can - and are - the base beliefs of all sorts of horrors. no belief system is exempt from this.

and everybody has a belief system.
 
So your admitting that stalin/mao killed people for
NON-atheistic reasons.

End of debate.


peace

axeman



Quote from damir00:

they did it for power. which is the exact same reason "religious" based massacres happen: for power. you are conflating reason with justification...
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kidding about what? politics aside, bush is coke snorting booze guggling abortion procuring draft dodging insider trading pussy chasing child of extreme privilige. which of these qualities, exactly, are christian?

(in the theoretical sense, of course :))
 
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