Materialists

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I am of the opinion that there is no group that can hold a candle - candlestick if you prefer - to the materialists in terms of defaming, insulting and demeaning people of other belief systems. Call me biased, but I don't see the Jews, Christians, deists, true agnostics, etc. generally calling each other "stupid".

Can someone please explain to me why materialists (with the exception of a couple of individuals such as Turok) are almost the opposite of all other groups? I'm trying not be prejudiced here, but I'm really struggling. (And, puh-leez, no whining: "It's cuzz of that street preacher that told me I was going to hell.")

There's got to be a deeper reason, a certain personality type perhaps that is attracted to materialism? Or are the humanist leaders (B. Russell, Ted Turner, etc.) highly belittling and disrespectful individuals?

Or maybe we're all missing the point: maybe the materialists are really vastly intellectually superior to all of us? Perhaps their arrogance is justified? Should we not just accept them as leaders and usher in a new age - pardon the expression - of peace and prosperity? Can our feeble intellects even contribute to any meaningful dialogue with them?

I hope someone out there will help me with all these questions. I don't want to harbor ill will - I need to understand...
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Hi ShoeshineBoy,

You raise an interesting point. I am not sure though about your materialist category. I seem to understand that Jews, Christians, deists, true agnostics are not included. Atheists, would these be materialists?

Thank you for clarifying.

nononsense
 
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Quote from aphexcoil:

Hello my "jew-turned-agnostic nihilist" friend.

I'VE NEVER INDICATED THAT I'M A NIHILIST. I BELIEVE YOU'VE MISTAKENLY REFERED TO ME AS ONE BEFORE, AND I'VE CORRECTED YOU. YOU PROBABLY CONTINUE TO REFER TO ME AS A NIHILISH BECAUSE YOU'VE NO EXPERIENCE WITH MY TYPE OF PHILOSOPHY.

I share some of your anger and grievances towards people of the cloth that have used and abused religion for the sake of power, influence, control and dominance. I understand your anger towards institutionalized constructs that have turned insightful understanding of our universe into a "drive-thru McReligion" world.

WELL WRITTEN BUT I FEEL DIFFERNTLY.

However, let me also remind you that no matter who says what about this and that, what remains as truth is absolute outside our own beliefs and opinions.

THERE IS NO TRUTH. TRUTH IS A CONCEPT.

You Mr. Rowenwood wake up each day and look outside your window in the early morning and see abundant evidence of design and purpose.

NO, DON'T. I SEE MY AREA OF THE WORLD. I SEE CHAOS AND ORDER WHICH IS JUST BEING AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

It is in the grass you cut each week, the people you meet each day and even in your thoughts and dreams.

You know very well that god exists. He is not the Jewish god, Christian god or the muslim god. He transcends any book, disciple or prayer. He is the alpha and the omega. You know very well what I mean, Mr. Rowenwood.

IF THERE IS A GOD IT ISN'T A HE. FOR A GOD WOULDN'T HAVE GENITALS. NOR WOULD IT BE ANYTHING IMAGINABLE. GOD WOULD BE BEYOND THOUGHT BECAUSE THOUGHTS AR BASE AND ANIMALISTIC. GOD WOULDN'T BE SITTING AROUND DECIDING WROG FROM RIGHT. GOD WOULD BEYOND ALL THAT SUBJECTIVE CRAP. GOD WOULD BE BEYOND THE OBJECTIVE AS WELL.

Don't dispute him because of your anger towards those who choose to indoctrinate themselves into the McReligion institutions.

YOUR AND THEIR IDEA OF GOD IS BANAL AND OBVIOUSLY DANGEROUS.
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"IF THERE IS A GOD IT ISN'T A HE. FOR A GOD WOULDN'T HAVE GENITALS. NOR WOULD IT BE ANYTHING IMAGINABLE. GOD WOULD BE BEYOND THOUGHT BECAUSE THOUGHTS AR BASE AND ANIMALISTIC. GOD WOULDN'T BE SITTING AROUND DECIDING WROG FROM RIGHT. GOD WOULD BEYOND ALL THAT SUBJECTIVE CRAP. GOD WOULD BE BEYOND THE OBJECTIVE AS WELL."

In your mind... if God did have genitals... would He be whackin it?

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Quote from rowenwood:

I'm so bored with being human and being confined to experiencing life with my brain. I want something beyond thought. I want to transcend myself. Something that isn't subjective or objective. Something new, more, and innefible.
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*Looks up "innefible"*

*Hands you a loaded .44 magnum pistol*

Here, place this upside your temple and pull the trigger - you'll experience something different.

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Turoks post was damn funny.

Theists ARE the most arrogant people on earth.
I love it when they tell me all these things about myself.

I KNOW your just an atheist because its a backlash of your religious upbringing... blah blah
I KNOW your going to hell.
*I* am one of gods chosen people. You P.O.S. infidel!


Lmaoooooooooo..... pretty damn funny listening to Shoe
talk about arrogant atheists :D


But to address the main question.
Atheists are NOT any more arrogant than theists SHOE.
This is simply a perception based on YOU being a theist.

Atheists, or more generally, materialists, tend to be the one
group that is DIRECTLY opposed to ALL supernatural belief
systems including theistic belief systems.

They are the ONE group you will bump heads with 180 degrees the MOST.

If you talk to a new ager....you are BOTH supernaturalists.
If you talk to a mormon... you are BOTH supernaturalists.

Just about ANY other group you talk to, YOU HAVE SOMETHING
IN COMMON WITH. You are simply sub-sets of the same
supernatural super set of belief systems.

But materialists/atheists, you are directly opposed to.



Where does this get you???

Into a HEATED argument...and sooner or later... someone starts
name calling, and its NOT always the atheist/materialist
that starts the name calling.

As a theist... of course your gonna notice that materialists
name call more often. But its because YOU supernaturalists
name call as well on the other side of the debate line.

Supernaturalists versus materialists create the most heated debates.

Simple as that. But the arrogance and name calling does
NOT belong to one group.


peace

axeman
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I was thinking the same thing last night as I was beating my head against the wall...In fact, I though, "How did I get suckered into this? Why, O, why?"

And, yeah, I have known a couple people with Tourettes. That's not a bad analogy. One guy worked in the blueprint area. Every time he yelled I almost threw my milars across the room...
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Wait a minute... milars are sunglasses aren't they? Or are they workout pants.
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

We all think we know what the other person is thinking. We all think we're right.

The issue is this: can an individual be mature enough not to trash talk everyone who disagrees with them in a conversation so there can be meaningful dialogue? Yes, I know theists can be highly annoying. But generally they avoid the trashtalking of someone like rowenwoodlongshotgordongekkostu...

And, above all, does the individual think he is superior? The great majority of theists that I know do not feel superior to the rest of mankind. Coming from their standpoint, they simply feel, in the vernacular, "lucky"...
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"rowenwoodlongshotgordongekkostu..."

HAHAHAHA!!!
 
Quote from TradeOff:

"IF THERE IS A GOD IT ISN'T A HE. FOR A GOD WOULDN'T HAVE GENITALS. NOR WOULD IT BE ANYTHING IMAGINABLE. GOD WOULD BE BEYOND THOUGHT BECAUSE THOUGHTS AR BASE AND ANIMALISTIC. GOD WOULDN'T BE SITTING AROUND DECIDING WROG FROM RIGHT. GOD WOULD BEYOND ALL THAT SUBJECTIVE CRAP. GOD WOULD BE BEYOND THE OBJECTIVE AS WELL."

In your mind... if God did have genitals... would He be whackin it?

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Of course he'd be, that's what genitals are for.
 
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