many religious meat eaters don't care about killing animals

[stu]

Quote from jem:
Dude I think you are overreacting to the religion aspect of this argument. Meat eaters are saying its a choice and leave me alone and because veg heads tend to camp with liberals who lately have no qualms about taking away liberties in pursuit of the greater good. We ask who do you think your are to claim the higher ground?

Our fallback position is that our society is based on judeo christian values so who are you to change them. Consequently since the book spawning these values (if you do not believe in the source) says eat meat. We say hey we eat meat we always ate meat who are you to rip us for it and if you want to claim the moral ground you will have to go though Jesus.

Now your other points about the meat do give me pause and I wish it were different.

No. Someone made the simple point that they don’t eat meat (for specific reasons), many contributors respond and bring up religious associations with this issue.

I don’t care about and did not mention the political aspect. Are YOU not overreacting here ?, a little paranoid that some liberal geek wants to restrain you from chewing meat. Irrespective of some possible beneficial side effects?

For your edification, "our" society, OUR country is most certainly not based on judeo christian values. It was founded upon and is run upon Law Based Democracy. A prime reason for settlement in the first place was fleeing from the persecution that a state based religion caused.

"WE" say "we" eat meat do we? I say "we" eat meat too. So where did I rip "us" off? But do you really not see the irony of this?? ...

"if you want to claim the moral ground you will have to go though Jesus."

..did you really - not even for one instant - realize you might just be attempting to do that very thing with such a crass phrase??

Now you may prefer to let all this stuff slop around in your brain and not give half a shit if any of it really matters or not, but just maybe cutting back a little on the amount of meat you stuff down kids' necks might help them in the long run.

It's not that hard to see is it??

ELCubano.
No problem, but do keep trying, the penny may drop some day

 

[-EntropyTrader]

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Noticed how nobody touched this quote with a ten foot pole....



Yeah If I was a liberal preaching about death to animals so we can eat our meat, I wouldn't want to touch the subject of abortion either. I mean what compares to sticking a f*cking needle into a woman's body and into the brain of an unborn but living child while we the doctor sucks its brains out while the child is grasping for life. Yeah this kind of cruelty pales in comparison to what we do to cows. Of course only a liberal will find the joy in the killing of tens of millions of unborn children. Can someone say hypocrite?

HYPOCRITE!!!

Yeah, but you see the hypocrisy flows both ways.

Being anti-animal torture, and pro-choice

Being pro-life, and pro animal torture (not to mention pro death penalty too)

The difference is choice. The human lady chooses to abort her fetus. Ya think a female pig would choose to abort her fetus? (and if she does, would you want to stop her too?).

 

[maxpi]

A question for the enviro-left minority: If the rocks are proven unable to hold natural gas for more than 10,000 years why is it under pressure?

 

[TM_Direct]

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HYPOCRITE!!!

Yeah, but you see the hypocrisy flows both ways.

Being anti-animal torture, and pro-choice

Being pro-life, and pro animal torture (not to mention pro death penalty too)

The difference is choice. The human lady chooses to abort her fetus. Ya think a female pig would choose to abort her fetus? (and if she does, would you want to stop her too?).

CHOICE....????? So if the animal is not 'tortured" are you ok with my choice??? ie: Cows are place in a guillotine? quick painless ect...?....or is your real goal to eliminate meat eating all together????

 

[-EntropyTrader]

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CHOICE....????? So if the animal is not 'tortured" are you ok with my choice???

Ya…but it’ll still be considered a poor choice, to feast on a carcass when better alternatives are available. I’d want to tax that meat though…in order to account for the resource depletion and pollution costs…otherwise the costs would have to be paid by others rather than yourself…only with the tax can it be considered an economically sound transaction.

 

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Ya

Then I applaud you for being honest and i too believe that some of our ways are brutal and need correcting....like the way 'kosher' meat is prepared...but i am not giving up my steak and eggs.

 

[TM_Direct]

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Ya…but it’ll still be considered a poor choice, to feast on a carcass when better alternatives are available. I’d want to tax that meat though…in order to account for the resource depletion and pollution costs…otherwise the costs would have to be paid by others rather than yourself…only with the tax can it be considered an economically sound transaction.

Can we also have a tax of say...1000.00 on every abortion preformed? ...a punishment tax is what you are calling for or a sin tax as they say today.....What your proposing is just another in the socialist steps...what depletes resources more: a cattle farm or say....a fake fur factory???? or how about a tax on the # of times your flush your toilet in your house??? maybe the first 4 flushes are free per day, but its' a 1.50 per flush after that????

 

[maxpi]

What these animal rights people are doing that is bothersome is they are going through the state legislatures and courts and getting the status of animals changed from property to adoptees. After that your veterenarian bills will go way up because you will be able to sue for the loss of your "adopted children" if the vet screws up and Fido dies. It will be a lot harder to kill them for food too eventually. The ACLU, animal rights acitivists, environmentalists all work the same way, through the courts, overrriding eveything the average person believes in and needs for a happy healthy life.

I work with one of these folks, he's a friendless bastard, I suspect a lot of them are. He's a strict vegan for 25+ years he says and never misses an opportunity to screw up our happiness with our healthy diets, meanwhile he is 111 pounds, coughs constantly, and is the laziest person I have ever seen. He used to be missing in action at work and I found out he was able to get away for hours during the day, go to court and whatnot and screw with every builder in the area. I complained and now he has to sit here and pretend to work all day. I get a kick out of seeing him trapped here. We used to talk about him behind his back but now we just talk about him while he's here, we can't stand him.

 

[TM_Direct]

QUESTION: Do atheists eat meat??? Heathens are vegetarians???

 

[jem]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Under what line of thought do you think these ideas came from. If not the Judeo Christian line.

We can go through the history of the founding fathers or you can admit you are wrong. But to claim this is not a country founded on judeo christian ideals and concepts is claim that can only be made by a clouded mind. Who were the first settlers hindu's do you not know how powerful christianity was in the colonies, it may have been oppressive (for some) but it was the foundation of just about everything is this country.