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[WchPl]

Your annotations on the extension of the price case drill to three bars are confusing. Jack uses bands designations such as Aa, Ab, Ac, etc. Your duplication of them in a different context other than volume will just add to confusion.

I had not anticipated that. Thank you, I'll label them differently to get clarity. If I choose U for Up, D for Down, E for equal, and then get for a volume peak a "UD" label, is it ok ?
Then, it would be :

AA -> UU

AB -> UD

AC -> UE

BA -> DU

BB -> DD

BC -> DE

CA -> EU

CB -> ED

CC -> EE


How is it ?

In your matrix, draw 3 TL's when possible. The first to encapsulate the first two bars, the second to encapsulate the 2nd and 3rd bar. The third to encapsulate all three bars as per OOE of price. What this third bar does in it's variation of price form, price sentiment, price geometry and volume profile will make it unique or part of a larger set of similars. It will also either include it in the first two bars or not.

Clear ! I want to begin again from scratch the 900's cases matrix.

ie. An XB, then an XR.

The XR could close inside the TL established by the XB,

penetrate it and still close within the TL,

penetrate it and close outside the TL,

or penetrate it and penetrate the close outside the BM established at the Low of Bar1 of the XB

or penetrate the BM and close above it in between the BM and the TL.

Clear

When volume comes into the market, it's pace accelerates until it ebbs and flows. As it ebbs and flows, the 1st de-acceleration establishes a T1 in volume. An increasing in volume from this point is price going toward pt2. Therefore r2r and b2b , include a T1 of volume in-between two peaks of volume as price moves from pt1,pt2,pt3 in the first traverse. This Dominant traverse is always a r2r or b2b.

I understand what you say here, except the T1 concept. I understand it in your sentence, but do not see it embodying itself on charts.

Some times this is easily seen in the gaussian formations. Othertimes, this dynamic is occurring intrabar and one would have to go to a faster timescale to discern it. When people describe 'fractal jumping' it's referring to the phenomenon that gaussians couple to price action aperiodically as the previous example points out.

I understand this

You've not numbered your questions nor coupled them to the pics.

I thought I had explained the pairing of my questions with each *, **, *3, etc... they appear on my sheets of the 900's cases, and each of them is related to the labeled *, **, *3 questions.

Am I still not clear ? If I'm still doing bad, I apologize and beg you to explain me what you're waiting from me. I'd really feel better if I could put you in a better comfort to answer me.

In general, an FTP followed by an FTP could be one of two cases.
1)The second FTP is within the bounds of the first, thereby forming a Lat3 with a faster fractal within forming a RTL.
2) The second FTP is not within the bounds of the first, in such a case the 2nd price case is not an FTP.

I don't get your 2). How can an FTP not be in the bounds of the first in a FTP+FTP case ? I see it geometrically impossible. In other words, how can an FTP not be an FTP ?

Check again. An FTP/FBP 3 bar combo can and frequently form within laterals. Depending on the volatility of the form and where the bar closed determines if there was a BO of the FTP rtl or fanning the FTP rtl is more appropriate.

I do not understand in what the close and the volatility of the form of the 3d bar can either lead to consider a BO or a fan. Anyway, you're right, FTP + FBP form a Lateral. But you say "it can and frequently form a Lat". I would understand this if you showed me an example where FTP + FBP do not create a Lat. Cause currently, I do not see any other possibility.

You're using AB labeling in a completely different context than ID'ing EE's. In general, there is no "non-tape" case. All price cases are mathematically derived. When a bar forms it is one of the 10 price cases without exception. In a series of bars, trends interlock, and in so doing there is bar or series of bars where trends also overlap.

Got it

 

[WchPl]

@Sprout, I wanna give you a huge thanks for sharing your work. I can't use some parts of it yet, but I feel it will be very useful when the moment comes. Thank you very much for that generosity.

 

[JamesRoscoe]

I had not anticipated that. Thank you, I'll label them differently to get clarity. If I choose U for Up, D for Down, E for equal, and then get for a volume peak a "UD" label, is it ok ?
Then, it would be :

AA -> UU

AB -> UD

AC -> UE

BA -> DU

BB -> DD

BC -> DE

CA -> EU

CB -> ED

CC -> EE


How is it ?




Clear ! I want to begin again from scratch the 900's cases matrix.




Clear


I understand what you say here, except the T1 concept. I understand it in your sentence, but do not see it embodying itself on charts.



I understand this





I thought I had explained the pairing of my questions with each *, **, *3, etc... they appear on my sheets of the 900's cases, and each of them is related to the labeled *, **, *3 questions.

Am I still not clear ? If I'm still doing bad, I apologize and beg you to explain me what you're waiting from me. I'd really feel better if I could put you in a better comfort to answer me.





I don't get your 2). How can an FTP not be in the bounds of the first in a FTP+FTP case ? I see it geometrically impossible. In other words, how can an FTP not be an FTP ?




I do not understand in what the close and the volatility of the form of the 3d bar can either lead to consider a BO or a fan. Anyway, you're right, FTP + FBP form a Lateral. But you say "it can and frequently form a Lat". I would understand this if you showed me an example where FTP + FBP do not create a Lat. Cause currently, I do not see any other possibility.






Got it

Did you log this week? Can you upload it please? Save yourself some work and do not do anything else until you do this.

 

[WchPl]

Did you log this week? Can you upload it please? Save yourself some work and do not do anything else until you do this.

Hi @JamesRoscoe, thank you for your presence. I can't log yet, I'm struggling with the VTP and can't fill the log. I read about the VTP (yours, Jack's and Sprout's explanations), and try to understand it. I am also doing the 900"s cases Matrix that Sprout talked to me about. It takes me time, and from what I understood it is an important thing to do and get, and that could help me precisely as for performing the VTP and then fill the log you talk about.
I'm doing my best not to be fast, but to establish firmly in my mind what I know that is true, in order to build on it my comprehension of the VTP. It has been now a 4 months struggle to understand it.

Be sure when I'm about to post some VTP on the log, I'll do it. The truth is that I just can't wait to be able to do so...it would be a great accomplishment for me.

 

[JamesRoscoe]

Hi @JamesRoscoe, thank you for your presence. I can't log yet, I'm struggling with the VTP and can't fill the log. I read about the VTP (yours, Jack's and Sprout's explanations), and try to understand it. I am also doing the 900"s cases Matrix that Sprout talked to me about. It takes me time, and from what I understood it is an important thing to do and get, and that could help me precisely as for performing the VTP and then fill the log you talk about.
I'm doing my best not to be fast, but to establish firmly in my mind what I know that is true, in order to build on it my comprehension of the VTP. It has been now a 4 months struggle to understand it.

Be sure when I'm about to post some VTP on the log, I'll do it. The truth is that I just can't wait to be able to do so...it would be a great accomplishment for me.

The center of the method is logging. Nothing else will work for you until you begin to log. I will be watching the thread so no rush. But make no mistake, all of the drills that you are doing cannot make you a good trader until you begin to start logging. I hope you will hear and understand me. You have been at this for four years according to your words. Stop wasting time and start logging. Do it today.

 

[WchPl]

The center of the method is logging. Nothing else will work for you until you begin to log. I will be watching the thread so no rush. But make no mistake, all of the drills that you are doing cannot make you a good trader until you begin to start logging. I hope you will hear and understand me. You have been at this for four years according to your words. Stop wasting time and start logging. Do it today.

Thanks a lot

 

[WchPl]

@JamesRoscoe, in order to be sure of what you talk : when you say "to log", do you refer to the VTP ?
That's what I understand.

So far, I have read many different explanations for doing the VTP. I have never seen anything inteligible to me. Question of language ? I don't think so.

Anyway, I'm currently trying to fill the log with what I know that is true : price cases, turns, BM.

I'm also trying to fill the VTP columns of the log, but as I told you, I have no reference to use for doing so. I have never found anything clear for me. As I told you, I read the document you attached sooner in the thread that dealt with the VTP, EE's and Bands, but this one more time did not lead me to anywhere. The last explanations by Sprout was unfortunately not helpful to me.
Since I started my work on the VTP, my understanding of it hasn't increased even of one milimeter.
Maybe you could be able to give me an explanation step by step with your own words coming from your mind, and maybe it would better fit to mine, compared to all I've seen and read about the VTP ?
Don't feel obliged.

It is just that I know that I have done all what is humanly possible to understand that drill, and there is something really disturbing in the fact that I can't even log a P1 for sure, WHEREVER on ANY chart. Many of the volume points seem to have successively different, incoherent and contradictory definitions.

The fact is that some people did manage to perform it : Sprout, you and more for example.

I am in a position, currently, where I don't even know how to ask, what to ask or if I am to ask anything about the VTP, because the frustration and the anger that surge inside of me after that quantity of time I've been working the VTP on, make me think only one thing : I'll never be able to understand it.

This is what the FACTS make me think, and I bet anyone in my position would feel the same. 100% legitimate.

Nonetheless, I do not wanna let me be eaten by those thoughts, even though I don't see how it could be different to feel what I feel. I do believe I'll understand it, I do not want to give up even after 5 years of life-breaking work. But on that precise area, the VTP, I know I need help, there is logically something I miss.

Maybe the following will help you to help me :

As you probably read in that thread, I mentionned I was in the National French team of tablesoccer for some years. I kind of "master" tablesoccer.
If any new player come to me and ask me anything, I will read between the lines of his question, and will FIRST try to understand WHAT THIS PLAYER IGNORES that MAKES HIM ASK THAT question. In other words it's a kind of logic test.
Example : the player asks me : why when I wanna shot "A", it does not work ?
I will say in my head -> if he knew "B", he could shoot "A" and would not ask the question.
Consequence -> he must ignore the existence of B, and I'll talk to him about B. Not about A. I'll tell him about the PATH that will lead to the understanding that will not necessarly provide an answer to the initial question, but that will make DISAPPEAR the question.

Now, what i'm trying to say is : from what I'll post today (chart + log), can you identify what I necessarly IGNORE or BADLY UNDERSTAND, that makes me SO UNABLE to fill the log please ? one more time, "fill the log" is relative today to the VTP.

 

[WchPl]

Find attached the chart which I'm currently filling the log of and that i'll post later in the day, but TODAY

 

[truetype]

the frustration and the anger that surge inside of me after that quantity of time I've been working the VTP on, make me think only one thing : I'll never be able to understand it.

 

[WchPl]

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