Making JH' SCT and all his material alive

[WchPl]

Good morning WchPl.

The ES is a good bit into the day. I wanted to give you an AHA moment. As you are logging, your events tab will lead the other tabs in your log if you are following every bar. Volume events lock in before a price bar closes. This is how you know that you know. The VTP gives a certain path to follow. You will have two or three minutes to ADA because the monitoring volume will quickly narrow down the options that are possible.

I had had earlier the AHA moment about what you talk here

 

[Sprout]

I had not anticipated that. Thank you, I'll label them differently to get clarity. If I choose U for Up, D for Down, E for equal, and then get for a volume peak a "UD" label, is it ok ?
Then, it would be :

AA -> UU

AB -> UD

AC -> UE

BA -> DU

BB -> DD

BC -> DE

CA -> EU

CB -> ED

CC -> EE


How is it ?


You are so close.

This will make a big difference for you.


Use P1, T1, P2 as descriptions for each of the volume bars instead of inventing. Whenever there is a P1, draw a tape TL and place a BM. If the third bar XO the previous tape, then place an opposite BM for you have just observed a BO,T1. Technically it depends on the close at EOB.

Yes there are some volume sequences that have this BO bar ID'd as a P1 with no T1. This is more an exception. Better to focus on the majority of cases where there is a T1 at EOB.

Now in your matrix you have all the EE's in the pre-primary band. Most of what's contained in the matrix are not EE's. That's what makes EE's special. Having the first bar as a T1 does require that the n-1 bar being a P1. The matrix doesn't show that since you are implicitly assuming that the first bar is a P1. However, for each 3bar combo that starts with a P1, by looking back (rev chron) and making the case that there is an 'invisible reference bar' (n-1) THEN the first bar of the matrix can be a T1 at n.

P1's are like a clear slate. The first P1 in the beginning of a trend puts everything that came before in the past and we move forward with forward testing. Yes, incorrectly ID'ing this will shift the sequence, but that's not what's important in this particular context. Like a key in a lock, there is the 'correct' form of peaks and valleys in the key cut, however it's more important at this particular stage to by trial and error go through all the keys in the keychain to 'see' which one fits. There are those keys that won't even go in the keyhole, others that fit but don't turn, and only one that can successfully turn the tumbler and have the lock release.

You can just stay paralyzed in determining which key fits or you can start putting all potential keys in the lock and progress by trial and error. It's the activity of checking each individual keys as opposed to finding the 'correct' one that is the focus atm. You don't freak out when checking each key, you just check and move on to the next if it's not the right one.


Clear ! I want to begin again from scratch the 900's cases matrix.

You're a bit of a perfectionist. At this level of understanding, know that it's more important to begin the process of logging and performing the VTP. Your sticking point is your stepping stone. Let it be ok, that you might not log correctly or identified volume bars correctly. Just start logging what you currently see. The part of logging that is the most important is debriefing. That's why you could go over your current matrix and by using different colors to debrief it creates a path of learning progress.


I understand what you say here, except the T1 concept. I understand it in your sentence, but do not see it embodying itself on charts.

Yes you do. You identify it as pt3 on tapes/traverses/channels. Not each are T1's, but you need to start developing a baseline, which is a path of mistakes.


I thought I had explained the pairing of my questions with each *, **, *3, etc... they appear on my sheets of the 900's cases, and each of them is related to the labeled *, **, *3 questions.

Am I still not clear ? If I'm still doing bad, I apologize and beg you to explain me what you're waiting from me. I'd really feel better if I could put you in a better comfort to answer me.


You are taking things personally. Better to just stop listening to the inner critic and know that you are capable and are building capacity.





I don't get your 2). How can an FTP not be in the bounds of the first in a FTP+FTP case ? I see it geometrically impossible. In other words, how can an FTP not be an FTP ?

You can know something by what it is and also by what it is not. There is FTP and not FTP.




I do not understand in what the close and the volatility of the form of the 3d bar can either lead to consider a BO or a fan. Anyway, you're right, FTP + FBP form a Lateral. But you say "it can and frequently form a Lat". I would understand this if you showed me an example where FTP + FBP do not create a Lat. Cause currently, I do not see any other possibility.


Congrats! You are building 'you know that you know.' My above commentary included MADA intrabar which observes price cases going through a sequence of cases prior to EOB.

By going through your matrix and going beyond form to include the sentiment of bars, you'll see how the final ID can change from beginning of bar to close of bar in some cases and in others that will not be the case.






Got it

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[Simples]

It is just that I know that I have done all what is humanly possible to understand that drill, and there is something really disturbing in the fact that I can't even log a P1 for sure, WHEREVER on ANY chart. Many of the volume points seem to have successively different, incoherent and contradictory definitions.

You are not alone in feeling overwhelmed or struggling to make sense on how to make it all fit together. OODA can sometimes work, but get heavy DD and need "medication" to work. So the minority of the minority continue down the rabbit hole, though one need to make sure whatever one builds is robust, not a house of cards that looks good and only work in the hindsight example.

I can't stand repainting, so only annotate bar-by-bar. Maybe that's a mistake, but I don't want to relate to rewriting the past too much. Though try to understand future bars may alter understanding of history, so seeking to minimize that effect on the NOW. It's slow progress, but any progress feels real to me when issues of repainting get marginalized. Some repainting / correcting wrong ID is necessary.

For P1, my understanding is that first P1 is "assigned". This could even mean first bar in your chart/log: You may "assign" (a choice!), and any mistake will be corrected (by later DOM or BM Rev). Typically, P1 assigned is first pt1. You already know pt1 as price. P1 assigned is ideally the same point, as volume, though not sure of all permissible permutations. For later, you know P and T, as volume. You start to see the difference between D and nD.

 

[WchPl]

First half of my attempt. Next coming soon.

I've had troubles with the VTP when OB surge. I have received already an answer to that (do the VTP dividing the cell in two rows), but I'm for the now unable to produce anything on it.
The reason why I only did half of the VTP is because I have to change something inside of me if I want to work this way. I'm not here to find my way to get what I want, I'm here to obey to the rules that are in action, in order to extract all that is disponible on the market.
As I was drilling and doing the VTP, I almost had physical reactions : I am not used to do something while knowing it's partly wrong. I am used to wait until I'm 100% sure and then go. I simply MUST and WANT TO CHANGE that.

It's the very first day I kind of feel something good with the VTP. I have tried to let myself go towards a full of mistakes drill. But the more I talk with you guys, the quicker I feel growing inside of me this thought I've had since the beginning (5 years ago) : this work is way more than a work, it's a journey, an adventure which requires a lot of inner force and power, and especially one -> the virtue of being able to change our mind.

That is an intense positive contribution to my inner vibration. I really need to BE how it's to be in order to be able to DO what is required, until finally HAVE.


As I'm writing this message, I deeply feel that the benefit I will get from BEING how it's to be, will exceed from FAR the ones I'll get from DO and HAVE combined...

 

[Sprout]

Those are some good insights.


A couple of things.

You have a working grasp of tape/traverse/channels and identifying ftts and FTTs.
Doing volume rays seem to be progressing for you as well.

Good work. This alone can get you to profitability with JHM as long as you trade the LTL and not the RTL.


The ID's of turns being coupled to gaussians is also going well. Even though this is NOT the way to ID turns in RDBMS via the Modrian table, this is building a baseline of reference to successfully ID turns in the Modrian table at a future point.
The pattern of D-D to D-nd to nd-D is a basic principle that can be applied on all fractal levels.

What will make this more effective is to place a subscript on your log at Turn Type of the bar's sentiment. The info is already captured in your log with price case, but I've found that it's easier to scan down the log. For example, a C turn would have a subscript of B for long or R for short.

You can also fill out the columns under action. 30m and 5m are for the bar's form, the last column is for the bar's sentiment.


You can also fill out the column under degap (as the bars required it) and UL if the bar calls for it.

The log has recorded your sequencing. You have - wait, repeat, rev chron and next. VTP on laterals and retro are up next to complete in understanding it. So in a way you are already more that halfway there through the VTP. VTP cycles and sequences one through the OOE. The dataset of the log is performing MADA. VTP is a subset of the log.



Here's the sequence I see that doesn't include the previous day's degapping.


Bar1 OB, you have a BM Long and BM short.
Bar2 XR, this bar forms a T1 compared to the previous bar. It's the first tape constructed by 2 bars. The prior bar was a peak compared to this bar.
Bar3 XO, of the BM long, therefore a BM,rev as an EE on your log. Failsafes and A band EE's have the P1 assignment on that bar. EE's are ends of the trend segments. A BM-short is placed at the high of this bar.

Bar6 XR, an 'X' is place in the P1 cell only when in the OOE, one has a False for a T1. This reinforces going to the next cell in the OOE when one get a false for T1.

Bar8 XR, there is such a thing as a P3 but not in this case. This is a repeat of the P2, therefore a P2 repeat.

Bar's 4 to 7 form the Ae - hvbo EE. At this point a BM long is placed at the bottom of the bar. EE's are ends of trend segments.

Bar8 XO and closed beyond this recent BM. Therefore BM,rev and a P1 assigned. A TL for the long is not possible. Since we are at P1 assigned, looking for the pt3 of price or T1 of volume to establish the new TL.

Bar10 OB is a PP4. It has a higher high in volume, therefore P1 repeat. The BM long at the low of this bar has a close beyond it. Therefore another BM,rev. This is also a PP3. This is also the assigned P1 of a PP4. However, the bias is long due to EE's are the end of trend segments. This trend is not complete and requires more segments.



There's a difference between the TL's drawn via nested fractals and the accelerating/fanning of TL's with SCT and the TL's drawn with RDBMS. It's best if you discern the difference by reviewing Jack's charts.

Have you constructed a matrix of all the EE forms yet? ie, what the volume profile looks like for a PP1 vs a PP3. You need a sheet for each of the bands. PP!'s, A-Band, B-K bands. They are necessary to perform MADA during RTH.


HTH

 

[WchPl]

It takes me a bit of time to change my mind, my way of working (I mean entering in a the territory of "accept to make mistakes"), and being as the VTP is the core of the stuff, it's even more legitimate.
@Sprout, thanks a lot for your last debrief, it's helping me a lot. I just need more time than along the last 2-3 years to work, cause some damages in my mind have happened, that make me unable to work hours and hours in a row each and every day. But anyway, if I could do so I don't know if it would be a good idea. I prefer now quality to quantity, and to take it easy and slowly but surely than rushing to get what I want because I've been on the stuff for long. I wanna stop that kind of thinking.

Let's work at my right pace. Right now, I'm completing the second half of the VTP, trying to also include what you say in your last and generous debrief, and will post all i've done when I'm ready.

Until this, take all care of you, and have the best iterative refinement. See you later in the day or tomorrow

 

[WchPl]

What will make this more effective is to place a subscript on your log at Turn Type of the bar's sentiment. The info is already captured in your log with price case, but I've found that it's easier to scan down the log. For example, a C turn would have a subscript of B for long or R for short.

Ok

What will make this more effective is to place a subscript on your log at Turn Type of the bar's sentiment. The info is already captured in your log with price case, but I've found that it's easier to scan down the log. For example, a C turn would have a subscript of B for long or R for short.

Yes, I understand. Can you just help me with placing it ? where is it better to put it on the log, precisely ?

You can also fill out the columns under action. 30m and 5m are for the bar's form, the last column is for the bar's sentiment.

It's ok for the very last column, Senti, also for the 5min being as it's my timescale so i can check the form (it's the price case isn't it ? but if it is so, then why write it two times in the log ?), but what about 30min ? Am I to change the timescale at each end of 5min bar and see the form of the 30min' bar in which my 5min bar is ?

You can also fill out the column under degap (as the bars required it) and UL if the bar calls for it.

Great that subject came out ! I don't know what "Degap" mean. So I cannot fill the column yet. What does it refer to ?
As for UL, I know it stands for Use Larger, and is used for the SYM price case when volume is increasing. Is that all ?

Here's the sequence I see that doesn't include the previous day's degapping.

I really need to understand that Degap concept. I don't remember it cause I made the mistake a long time ago not to note about it.

There's a difference between the TL's drawn via nested fractals and the accelerating/fanning of TL's with SCT and the TL's drawn with RDBMS. It's best if you discern the difference by reviewing Jack's charts.

This sounds new to me

Have you constructed a matrix of all the EE forms yet? ie, what the volume profile looks like for a PP1 vs a PP3. You need a sheet for each of the bands. PP!'s, A-Band, B-K bands. They are necessary to perform MADA during RTH.

To follow the last advices I've received, I'm currently focusing exclusively on the VTP and have not done it yet.



Now, studying your debrief.

 

[Sprout]

Ok

Yes, I understand. Can you just help me with placing it ? where is it better to put it on the log, precisely ?

The lower right hand corner of the same cell that you placed C,A, or B.


It's ok for the very last column, Senti, also for the 5min being as it's my timescale so i can check the form (it's the price case isn't it ? but if it is so, then why write it two times in the log ?), but what about 30min ? Am I to change the timescale at each end of 5min bar and see the form of the 30min' bar in which my 5min bar

Price case is the form, where the close of the bar is determines ir’s Sentiment. On the 5m there are grid lines that show where the 30min synchs on the top of the hour and the half-hour. I usually use two vertical lines that I can move as I annotate.


Great that subject came out ! I don't know what "Degap" mean. So I cannot fill the column yet. What does it refer to ?
As for UL, I know it stands for Use Larger, and is used for the SYM price case when volume is increasing. Is that all ?

I really need to understand that Degap concept. I don't remember it cause I made the mistake a long time ago not to note about it.


If the open of bar.0 is different than the close of bar.1, you move up the prior bar so that whatever difference between the close and open is reduced to equal.
C.1 = O.0
This is degapping. It will change a bar from one form to another.



This sounds new to me

RDBMS TL's don't accelerate nor fan. They get established with a T1 or a P1 if that comes first. One still uses accelerating and fanning of TL's on higher timescales. RDBMS is a volume based system that uses price to gate or permit the measurement of volume. If you are seeing fanned and accelerated TL's on an RDBMS chart, it's to show the relationship between that and SCT. To use accelerated or fanned TL's on a 5m chart would give one a completely different sequence of events that would require some calibration. The difference between the two is in the domain of carving turns.


To follow the last advices I've received, I'm currently focusing exclusively on the VTP and have not done it yet.

You just need to do it. It's the process of doing it that will make the difference. When I first started, all I could do was pick out some of the BO,T1 and BM,rev's. It took a while, but slowly, as I memorized more of the volume forms by repetition, the chart fills in with more and more detail. As one debriefs their own chart, the aha's comes after RTH when in a more relaxed state, one tests different possible sequences to find the path of least resistance and the sequence that brings clarity into being. You'll know which one these are for the signal of change occurs before volume surges into the market. It's a repetitive experience of seeing and catching cyclic "waves."



Now, studying your debrief.

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[WchPl]

Thank you ! Aren't you sleeping ???

 

[WchPl]

Can you help me with that ? ->

- why does time appear "Delayed" on my chart ? as circled in red.

- can you see the grid lines you talk about so that I can see the 30min form ? I can't locate them