Majority of UK covid hospitalizations are fully vaxxed

CaptainObvious said:
192K and change cases we know of. We also know that nearly 50% of Covid infected have no symptoms or symptoms so mild one might not know they are sick. Double your number of cases and then tell us the case fatality rate. We also know that dying from Covid and dying with Covid are two completely different things though all are lumped together. Easily cut the death rate in half to get those that actually died from Covid. Actual case fatality rate is probably less than one percent, and then we can throw out the 80 percent who were on their death beds to begin with. Now we're down to a bad flu season which is where the true number has been all along.
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What you state is quite questionable. See for example my post #60 where I quote numbers from Veterans Affairs for essentially equivalent populations of veterans. The veterans with mean age 69 who caught either influenza or Covid were 3.5 times more likely to die from Covid than from influenza. (See also my "errata" post which followed post #60) It would be better, I would think, if you want to characterize Covid as the flu, to call it a particularly pernicious form of flu. Certainly the range of symptoms, pathology and histology for Covid is significantly different than for what we are used to finding in influenza patients.

I don't care so much what you call it as I care about what it has done to us. Before we had widely available monoclonal antibodies and a vaccine this thing we call Covid, or a very bad flu, was killing people at an alarming rate.
 
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Meanwhile in the real world, on the frontlines here in America:

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piezoe said:
?? I haven't seen that statistic anywhere. I had data from the WSJ which presumably came from the UK health service showing that the deaths from Covid among the doubly vaccinated is near zero % (0.0504%) of the total cases reported, as of the end of June. I think I gave you that % previously, didn't I?

If you check out gwb's post immediately above you will see that the deaths from Covid world wide among the total cases reported is alarmingly high at present at ~ 2%. It will come down some as more of the worlds population become fully vaccinated, and because monoclonal antibody is now widely available in developed countries.

Contrast this with the CDC's data for the 1918 Spanish flu: ~675,000 deaths among a U.S. population of ~105 x 10**6, or ~ 0.67 % . Today with modern vaccination the ordinary flu bug (influenza) has a death rate among developed countries <= ~ 0.1% (typically ~ 0.02%) What made the Spanish flu in 1918 so devastating, besides the lack of a vaccine, was the high number of deaths among infants and the young.

Edit: Be careful here, because the data I gave you above for Covid is the death rate among Covid cases, but the Influenza is the death rate among the entire population. So don't make a direct comparison please. But here is some really nice data from Veterans Affairs that allows you to compare Influenza and Covid among virtually identical populations:

Researchers analyzed U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs data on more than 3,600 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Feb. 1 and June 17 of this year, and more than 12,600 hospitalized with the flu between Jan. 1, 2017 and Dec. 31, 2019. The average age of patients in both groups was 69.

The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.​

See for example: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
and also: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201218/covid-19-is-far-more-lethal-damaging-than-flu-data-shows#1
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You said: "very close to 0%" of double vaccinated in the U.S. end up dying from Covid.
Please provide the raw data and not some garbage headline with zero facts to back it up.
 
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