40% of Covid cases do not have symptoms that last over 6 months. Please.
You’re other statistics are high as well, maybe worldwide but not here in the US.
Majority of UK covid hospitalizations are fully vaxxed
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40% of Covid cases do not have symptoms that last over 6 months. Please.
You’re other statistics are high as well, maybe worldwide but not here in the US.
Not sure the vaccine slows spread. Most asymptotic cases are undiagnosed, so how do you really know (Ask the fully vaccinated Democrats from Texas or the fully vaccinated Olympic athletes staying home). The entire narrative that I need a vaccine so I can move about because the vaccine keeps me from spreading the virus, is bunk.
Your assumption relates to people who are most susceptible, for a person that naturally has a 99%+ chance of survival, the vaccine doesn’t measurably improve your odds that much.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe certain people, certain groups benefit greatly from vaccination. But it’s not a life and death decision for most.
What the vaccine has become is the latest political weapon used to divide society.
Go read the Long COVID thread for all the information and documentation on Long COVID --- including the studies showing the large percentage of people with long COVID symptoms that last over 6 months.
The current COVID Case Fatality Rate in the U.S. is 1.78% (625,363 deaths / 35,081,719 Cases). The recent reduction below 2% CFR in the U.S. is only due to vaccinations and improved hospital treatments.
Spain primarily has used the same AstraZeneca vaccine as the U.K. --- especially for older people in Spain. Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J are also used -- these particular vaccines primarily have been used for younger people.
80% of new COVID-19 cases in Spain among non-vaccinated people, health minister says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...nated-people-health-minister-says-2021-07-20/
In related news, Spain just hit a 50% vaccination level.
Spain hits new milestone, fully vaccinating more than half of its inhabitants against Covid-19
https://english.elpais.com/society/...half-of-its-inhabitants-against-covid-19.html
80% of new COVID-19 cases in Spain among non-vaccinated people, health minister says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...nated-people-health-minister-says-2021-07-20/
In related news, Spain just hit a 50% vaccination level.
Spain hits new milestone, fully vaccinating more than half of its inhabitants against Covid-19
https://english.elpais.com/society/...half-of-its-inhabitants-against-covid-19.html
But I did, and it is correct. Vaccination reduces not only the probability of a vaccinated person becoming ill from a viral infection, but it also reduces the overall transmission rate. The reason for this is that the transmission rate is a function of mean viral load and as more and more people get vaccinated the mean viral load drops. Or said another way, there is less total virus in a population. That's why with near 100% vaccination it is possible for a virus to be virtually wiped out. A virus is not a living organism. It must have hosts to survive and mutate.
I guess what's especially discouraging is that understanding why vaccination of a significant fraction of a population also reduces the probability of an unvaccinated person becoming infected does not require a high level of intellect; yet there are some of our colleagues here who have trouble with even this simple concept.
The source Of the 0% of double vaxxed in the US hospitalized or dead.
LOL.
Your numbers are so completely wrong.
You think 2.4% of the world has caught COVID. This most infectious virus in the history of the world.
Stupider - you think 2% die from it. 12% get hospitalized. Your figures continue to fail by many orders of magnitude.
Time for the facts...
4,137,505 deaths divided by 192,489,942 cases equals a worldwide Case Fatality Rate of 2.15%
?? I haven't seen that statistic anywhere. I had data from the WSJ which presumably came from the UK health service showing that the deaths from Covid among the doubly vaccinated is near zero % (0.0504%) of the total cases reported, as of the end of June. I think I gave you that % previously, didn't I?
If you check out gwb's post immediately above you will see that the deaths from Covid world wide among the total cases reported is alarmingly high at present at ~ 2%. It will come down some as more of the worlds population become fully vaccinated, and because monoclonal antibody is now widely available in developed countries.
Contrast this with the CDC's data for the 1918 Spanish flu: ~675,000 deaths among a U.S. population of ~105 x 10**6, or ~ 0.67 % . Today with modern vaccination the ordinary flu bug (influenza) has a death rate among developed countries <= ~ 0.1% (typically ~ 0.02%) What made the Spanish flu in 1918 so devastating, besides the lack of a vaccine, was the high number of deaths among infants and the young.
Edit: Be careful here, because the data I gave you above for Covid is the death rate among Covid cases, but the Influenza is the death rate among the entire population. So don't make a direct comparison please. But here is some really nice data from Veterans Affairs that allows you to compare Influenza and Covid among virtually identical populations:
Researchers analyzed U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs data on more than 3,600 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Feb. 1 and June 17 of this year, and more than 12,600 hospitalized with the flu between Jan. 1, 2017 and Dec. 31, 2019. The average age of patients in both groups was 69.
The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.
The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.
See for example: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
and also: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201218/covid-19-is-far-more-lethal-damaging-than-flu-data-shows#1
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