Tdog, I am not convinced you are debating with the real larry williams. So far all I have seen posted is material that anyone can get from his website. Might want to prove the identity before you attack.
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Larry Williams Million Dollar Challenge
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I never made any claims whatsoever about my trading performance and, therefore, I have nothing to prove. For all intents and purposes, my own trading, such as it is, is a non sequitur insofar as this thread is concerned, and the product of Larry's obfuscation and misdirection (which you bought into completely, by the way). However, when other posters here at ET make boisterous claims, they are taken to task and rightly so. But not Larry. He's your sacred cow. (It must be those calves of his that I read about.)Quote from OldTrader:
Yep, that's my definite opinion. We registered at this site about the same time, yet you have 3X as many posts. And amongst those posts are posts going back months and years regarding Larry Williams, where you have pounded him unmercifully.
I think it only fitting that you provide a "simple, unfettered, full and proper trade journal for even a short length of time" . Don't continue to dodge. We're no longer asking you to compete with Larry. There's no bet at stake here. Just provide the proof that you do in fact trade.
OldTrader
I have read a lot of hateful criticism on this thread directed at Larry Williams and I need to weigh in on it...
It is obvious that those of you who personally attack Larry Williams are just envious of his success, and you are threatened by the fact that he gives so much of his time, knowledge and insight to help average people become great traders.
I am an owner of a trucking company, but I also trade index and commodity futures part-time, but hopefully full-time someday.
I bought a copy of Larry Williams' 2009 Forecast in January of this year. I can tell you without a doubt that Larry still has "the touch" and a great talent for forecasting the markets. I have been amazed at the accuracy in which his forecast has called all the major highs and lows in the US Stock Market so far this year.
In February of this year, I had approx. $35,000 in my account. I traded that account using only Larry's 2009 Forecast for the US Stock Market, and I only traded the S&P 500. That same account has grown to over $144,000 since his first recommended buy signal at the end of February.
I have simply taken long positions at his forecasted major lows, and short positions at his forecasted major highs in the market.
I am very pleased with my 300% gain over the past 6 months... all thanks to Larry Williams and his great forecasting ability, and his willingness to share it.
I think Larry Williams' great results speak for themselves.
-Shack
It is obvious that those of you who personally attack Larry Williams are just envious of his success, and you are threatened by the fact that he gives so much of his time, knowledge and insight to help average people become great traders.
I am an owner of a trucking company, but I also trade index and commodity futures part-time, but hopefully full-time someday.
I bought a copy of Larry Williams' 2009 Forecast in January of this year. I can tell you without a doubt that Larry still has "the touch" and a great talent for forecasting the markets. I have been amazed at the accuracy in which his forecast has called all the major highs and lows in the US Stock Market so far this year.
In February of this year, I had approx. $35,000 in my account. I traded that account using only Larry's 2009 Forecast for the US Stock Market, and I only traded the S&P 500. That same account has grown to over $144,000 since his first recommended buy signal at the end of February.
I have simply taken long positions at his forecasted major lows, and short positions at his forecasted major highs in the market.
I am very pleased with my 300% gain over the past 6 months... all thanks to Larry Williams and his great forecasting ability, and his willingness to share it.
I think Larry Williams' great results speak for themselves.
-Shack
A most excellent first post, Shack. How fortuitous that you should find this thread on this site and at this time. Remarkable.
So where is the harm? Why does Larry not only refuse to offer such simple information, but he refuses to even acknowledge that I have asked this of him, by way of obfuscation and misdirection?Quote from volente_00:
What will a paper traded journal prove to you ?
(Of course, you will recall I wrote "full and proper real-time trade journal. This will require simple documentary evidence by way of attachment after the fact, although the actual calls themselves must be made in real time. Is this really so unreasonable to ask of the greatest trader in all the world who has already given so much of his time and is willing to give more? Why would you NOT want this evidentiary information?)
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Tdog, I am not convinced you are debating with the real larry williams. So far all I have seen posted is material that anyone can get from his website. Might want to prove the identity before you attack.
Maybe what you need to do is to request the information that he offered via email, so we can dispense with your suspicions.
OldTrader
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I never made any claims whatsoever about my trading performance and, therefore, I have nothing to prove. For all intents and purposes, my own trading, such as it is, is a non sequitur insofar as this thread is concerned, and the product of Larry's obfuscation and misdirection (which you bought into completely, by the way). However, when other posters here at ET make boisterous claims, they are taken to task and rightly so. But not Larry. He's your sacred cow. (It must be those calves of his that I read about.)
What you have done is to attempt to thoroughly discredit Williams. And by the way, some of your attempts were through false allegations, one of which I caught you in. This attempt has gone on for years now. I think it's time that the accuser reveals some of his credentials, starting with his trading credentials. Why should you get a free pass to smear another individual? Please provide a "simple, unfettered, full and proper trade journal for even a short length of time".
OldTrader
Thunderdog is a whiner and has poor trading skills.
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This is an open letter to all Elite Trader chat room users as well as the Web site administrators.
I have been visiting the chat room almost daily for several months and have enjoyed the exchange and camaraderie with the other participants. I also learned a bit more about trading than I knew before. For all this I am grateful.
However, with increasing regularity, I have been verbally assaulted and abused by one participant, OPTIONAL 777. It is entirely possible that this trader is as good as he says he is, however, that does not preclude him from being a thug. I came to the Elite Trader chat room for exchange and conversation and, for the most part, this is what I have found. However, OPTIONAL 777âs vulgar, abusive and unrelenting diatribes toward me have become unbearable, and so, as I had mentioned to you all, I will not be returning.
I am just a struggling âtraderâ trying to get by, who is not yet profitable. I suspect there are many others out there like me. Yet, I continue in the best way I know how with the full knowledge that trading is a difficult and lonely occupation that relatively few succeed at, and that I may not become one of those relative few. Therefore, for my part, I have always sought to keep the chat light, supportive and fun. Along the way, I would pick up the occasional tidbit of useful information. I think this is how a chat room should be. That is why I have never criticized anyone for the simple reason of tearing him down. Trading is hard enough without people kicking you in the teeth when you are at your most vulnerable. Further, I have never insulted anyone except in self-defense, notably against OPTIONAL 777 and, more recently, his new toady, Brosh.
Perhaps for these reasons, several of you had mentioned that you did not have a âproblemâ with me, and I suppose I should take some comfort in that. But I do not.
I would like to think that, if someone were being abusive towards a new chat room member for the simple reason of demeaning him, kicking him while he was down, that I would step up and say something. And yet, I am not a new member; you people have known me for several months. And while I am grateful that most of you did not join in with OPTIONAL 777 against me, I am disappointed that, for a long while now, you just looked the other way, effectively condoning his conduct. I acknowledge that none of you owes me anything, but I had hoped for better. Unless I am mistaken, only Kymar stepped up yesterday (May 27) and told OPTIONAL 777 to behave himself. It did no good, but I appreciate the effort. Iâd like to think that I would have done the same.
And so, I leave you all with my best wishes. I also leave you with OPTIONAL 777. I hope his occasionally useful insights are worth his reprehensible, demeaning conduct that sometimes includes casual references to incest and bestiality. Personally, I think that he and those like him pollute what would otherwise be an excellent medium of communication and support. Without an oversight mechanism either on the part of Elite Traderâs administrators or simply by way of the membersâ good conscience, the room may one day degenerate into a free-for-all. If that happens, I hope for your sake that OPTIONAL 777 does not have you in his crosshairs.
Good luck, and good trading.
Regards,
Thunderdog
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