jesus is god......lmao

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This kind of statement just kills me. Belief in the supernatural can

It is perfectly rational to believe in God and it is perfectly rational to believe that He might intervene in the affairs of men. I am not disrespecting surfer's opinion - I am simply saying that there is no reason to think Christians and Jews irrational for believing in the supernatural/spiritual. If there is a God, it is not out of the question that He be involved in the affairs of mankind! My impression of marketsurfer is that he does not believe that God is involved in our lives, but you on the other hand assert you KNOW He does not. That imo is irrational...
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exactly, shoeshine---- i am not sure if the creator is involved in the affairs of men. i have just not seen any evidence of this, outside of personal claims--despite looking for same in my past.

best,

surfer
 
Quote from inandlong:

I know you're kidding....

Anyway, I don't think Benny claims to be the Son of God. I really don't know much about him. But if he starts claiming that he is God, or the Son of God, I'll take a closer look. From what I have read on other sites about him though, he hasn't done this.

But I do like your spelling up there... I can easily read how you are writing it. You know, I have never heard anyone say it that way in real life, but I have heard that one where the guy ends every phrase with the sound "-ah", spoken sharply. "And so my brethren I say to you-ah, that on that day-ah, that glorious day-ah of His return-ah.." I was drivng thru Kentucky once and looking for a football game on the radio when the scan thing stopped on that station.

It seems that there is some conflict within one who says he believes in a creator, and wonders why nothing has ever been done in a controlled environment. Sort of like the clay questioning the potter's hands. Which one of the mathematicians has figured out the formula of life? Or which one of the scientists has created life?

Isaiah 55:8,9

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts."

And so it is that the servant does not require of the Master to prove Himself. Adopting the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach is certainly an option. And like all options, that approach will decay over time.... ha ha - get it? It is a trading site after all.

Regarding the Pope's poor health.... first I trust that the Pope is a Christian. Second, as such if this is true then he has been promised everlasting life. When his earthly body dies, he will immediately be in Heaven, in the presence of God and Jesus. He will be in eternal paradise, free of the misery of this world. This is what he has been promised, this is what I have been promised, this is what every Christian has been promised.

It is the reward for Faith in Him not born of proof in a controlled environment.
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OK, let's try to get some leverage on this question with reason:

let's begin with a simple reasonable Q:

IAL, we are animals scratching and clawing on a miniscule insignificant planet, situated in an insignificant solar system, in an isig' galaxy of which there are infinite numbers in an infinite universe.

of what importance could we possibly be to an omnipotent perfect being??
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

exactly, shoeshine---- i am not sure if the creator is involved in the affairs of men. i have just not seen any evidence of this, outside of personal claims--despite looking for same in my past.

best,

surfer
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Thx - I appreciate so much the way you word things...I can respect someone looking and coming to a different conclusion than me. It's just hard for me to handle what I'll call the "extremes"....
 
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exactly, shoeshine---- i am not sure if the creator is involved in the affairs of men. i have just not seen any evidence of this, outside of personal claims--despite looking for same in my past.

best,

surfer
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EVIDENCE??! Why does MS need evidence for his belief here, but not for his belief in the even grander scheme of a creator??

See, this is just where you believers begin to screw up.
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

surf, i greatly respect your posts. But consider this: suppose just for a minute that the JudeoChristian respresentation of the world is true, i.e. suppose just for a minute that there is a Supreme Creator (per the Bible) and demons/devils, etc. Do you really think that someone can go up either to God or the devil and say do some tricks for me? Can you really say to some spiritual Being or being, "I can win a million bucks if you bend a spoon while I'm in this lab or on camera"? Just because God or some devil won't do tricks for Randi does not mean that the miraculous does not happen.

I remember one evangelist came in and laid hands on a kid with cerebral palsy. I've never seen anything like it. It was like an explosion hit him. The kids arms were curled up and could barely move yet they went flailing around instantly - almost violently - when the guys hands touched his head. You can argue if you want whether or not it was God, but if you'd seen it, I guarantee that you would not argue whether or not it was supernatural. I could go on and on...
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thanks ! i am not saying it doesn't happen, just that i have not seen or heard any credible evidence of same other than claims like above. it is my contention that god or particularly satan would be happy to prove themselves to scoffers like randi.

if i did see an event like you describe, i would not automatically seek a supernatural cause and be thinking trickery or simply mind power if no trickery was involved. time after time, these healers have been exposed as charlatans.

best,

surfer

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Thx - I appreciate so much the way you word things...I can respect someone looking and coming to a different conclusion than me. It's just hard for me to handle what I'll call the "extremes"....
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YOU are the extreme bub. you are a true believer in mythology. and that makes you extreme :-/
 
Quote from LongShot:

EVIDENCE??! Why does MS need evidence for his belief here, but not for his belief in the even grander scheme of a creator??

See, this is just where you believers begin to screw up.
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the creation speaks for the creator. the creation is sufficient evidence of a creator. what don't you understand ?

aren't you a satanist ?

surfer :)
 
Quote from LongShot:

OK, let's try to get some leverage on this question with reason:

let's begin with a simple reasonable Q:

IAL, we are animals scratching and clawing on a miniscule insignificant planet, situated in an insignificant solar system, in an isig' galaxy of which there are infinite numbers in an infinite universe.

of what importance could we possibly be to an omnipotent perfect being??
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What?? Whether you believe in God or not, you have to recognize that the human brain is anything but insignificant. Inside our heads is a 5 Cray supercomputer that is probably the holographic, parallel-processing 8th wonder of the world. Imo one can never call what is in between our ears insignificant.

But there is only one reason that I know of in the Bible: love by free choice. I know you're going to criticize this answer as cheesy, but I believe it to be the truth. God simply wants to build up a billion plus people from every nation on the earth that love him and each other by free choice. God could make a million robots that "love" Him, but that is not the same as beings that face temptation and yet choose to love Him anyway.

Let me ask this: Is there a bigger rush on the planet for a guy to have a female think he is #1 and to choose him as #1 even though there are hundreds of other guys to choose from? I don't think so anyway...
 
Quote from LongShot:

YOU are the extreme bub. you are a true believer in mythology. and that makes you extreme :-/
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It's true we are on opposite ends of the spectrun, but you will find that I rarely if ever enter a thread with my views unless the posters are slamming God and saying there is no evidence whatsoever. Then I will stick up for my beliefs and for the idea that one can be JudeoChristian and not be irrational...
 
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