jesus is god......lmao

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ritchie -- you crack me up. you are a TRUE BELIEVER athiest with a religious FERVOR that matches only that of thunderbolt on this site. LOL !

LOL !!

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ME??! BWAHAHAHA!! YOU have made the GRAND CLAIM of the CREATOR! *YOU* must prove it or YOU are just MASTERBATING here!! HAHA!! YOU MAKE THE CLAIM... YOU PROVE IT! Thats the way it works in the rational world surf. but you dont know this do you?? i feel sorry for you surf and thats the truth ;-/
 
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It's hard for me not to go on and on, but I promise I'll stop after this. I remember seeing one guy lay hands on people and one by one virtually everyone fell. But one individual in particular stood out. It was a huge, powerfully built African American guy. When the evangelist touched his head his knees just buckled. I don't mean they bent and he slumped over. I mean it looked like someone hit the back of his legs with a 2 X 4. It simply would not be possible for someone to fake that. And, believe me, no 60 year old southern preacher pushing with all his strength on this guy could buckle his knees like that - this guy was huge....
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assuming the guy was not in on the act--- why could there not be natural powers / forces that we do not understand causing what you saw ??

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your claims of human cray computer capabilities is LAUGHABLE!! you have NOTHING of the sort in side your head. my god man you can barely reason the simplest relationships! man's mind is so fallible it is frightening! one look at world today and it is undeniable that we can barely reason our way to the fridge for christ sakes!!
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C'mon - think of the programming it took to beat Kasparov in chess! And that's just chess which is a tiny fraction of human existence. The complexity of human relationships/interactions is much more complex in my opinion...

But, yes, I do agree that humans (including myself!) are fickle and swayed by emotions/intangibles, etc...
 
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C'mon - think of the programming it took to beat Kasparov in chess! And that's just chess which is a tiny fraction of human existence. The complexity of human relationships/interactions is much more complex in my opinion...

But, yes, I do agree that humans (including myself!) are fickle and swayed by emotions/intangibles, etc...
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listen to what you just said.. a suitcase of silicon BEAT your god's grand creation! HA! :p
 
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assuming the guy was not in on the act--- why could there not be natural powers / forces that we do not understand causing what you saw ??

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Gotcha - I didn't know you were talking about that. Now I understand a little better what you were asking. And, yes, if we are simply being with "spiritual powers", then proving that before the Randi contest would be rational. As you can see, I am coming from a completely different viewpoint though. I do not see the supernatural as coming from men but as coming generally from spiritual beings and God....
 
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It's hard for me not to go on and on, but I promise I'll stop after this. I remember seeing one guy lay hands on people and one by one virtually everyone fell. But one individual in particular stood out. It was a huge, powerfully built African American guy. When the evangelist touched his head his knees just buckled. I don't mean they bent and he slumped over. I mean it looked like someone hit the back of his legs with a 2 X 4. It simply would not be possible for someone to fake that. And, believe me, no 60 year old southern preacher pushing with all his strength on this guy could buckle his knees like that - this guy was huge....
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This statement by YOU tells me in an instant that your mind is not quite as remarkable as you might like to think. On the contrary, it is quite prone to grave errors in reasoning..
 
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Gotcha - I didn't know you were talking about that. Now I understand a little better what you were asking. And, yes, if we are simply being with "spiritual powers", then proving that before the Randi contest would be rational. As you can see, I am coming from a completely different viewpoint though. I do not see the supernatural as coming from men but as coming generally from spiritual beings and God....
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fair enough. thanks for the views.

best,

surfer:)
 
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Gotcha - I didn't know you were talking about that. Now I understand a little better what you were asking. And, yes, if we are simply being with "spiritual powers", then proving that before the Randi contest would be rational. As you can see, I am coming from a completely different viewpoint though. I do not see the supernatural as coming from men but as coming generally from spiritual beings and God....
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here we go... the crazies are off and running ..WOOO HOO HOO! IT'S A LOONY FARM!! WEEE WEEE WEEE!!
 
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listen to what you just said.. a suitcase of silicon BEAT your god's grand creation! HA! :p
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We're looking at this diametrically opposed. I am saying it took a team of dedicated, brilliant programmers two decades and millions of dollars in hardware to beat a guy in the tiniest aspect of human existence. I am asking this: is it rational to assume that this brain happened by chance and w/o miraculous intervention?

Another example: I met a 3D gaming artist who said she could picture in her mind what she studied in perfect detail. Any one who has ever had a vivid/lucid/spiritual dream/vision knows this to be true. This means that the human brain is a one man IMAX theatre. Tesla, I believe it was, could take a 3D picture, picture it perfectly in vivid detail with his eyes open, and rotate it three dimensionally. Think of the rack of equipment it takes to do that in the gaming industry, yet we do it right between our ears!

Sorry, but w/ or w/o materialsim, the human brain is astonishing (even if people rarely use it to its potential)....
 
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We're looking at this diametrically opposed. I am saying it took a team of dedicated, brilliant programmers two decades and millions of dollars in hardware to beat a guy in the tiniest aspect of human existence. I am asking this: is it rational to assume that this brain happened by chance and w/o miraculous intervention?

Look I met a 3D gaming artist who said she could picture in her mind in perfect detail. Any one who has ever had a vivid/lucid/spiritual dream/vision knows this to be true. This means that the human brain is a one man IMAX theatre. Tesla I believe it was could take a 3D picture, picture it perfectly in vivid detail with his eyes open, and rotate it three dimensionally. Think of the rack of equipment it takes to do that in the gaming industry, yet we do it right between our ears!

Sorry, but w/ or w/o materialsim, the human brain is astonishing (even if people rarely use it to its potential)....
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dude you are just out there flying with one assumption after another..

you dont need any proof or fact but your imagination
 
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