Jesus Christ (What Christians, Jews, and Muslims Say About Him)
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"The universe" is the proverbial "fig leaf".
"The universe" is a place to hide.
"The universe" enables guilt to be denied...buried...under layers of bullsh#t.
Gravity is a symbol corresponding to guilt.
Explain guilt and you will be able to explain gravity.
Deny guilt and you will not be able to explain gravity.
The forces of gravity are occult.
The forces of guilt are occult.
The pulling is done by belief in the unknown.
Christ!
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Risk-F Trading;
Well,best way to find out what Christians & Jews say, &write about Jesus Christ;
read the gospel of John.
Not sure why a false religion like Islam[Muslims] is revelant to Christianity?????Only antisemitics would not read the Holy Bible just because it was inspired by God, written by Jews
Also i dont think its hopeless for muslims;
many of them have genuine gospel conversions,cool.See gospel of John, its written for unbelievers.
Murray:
I read the tanakh, the talmud, many of the books of the bible, and the quran.
Unlike you, I read and seek the truth. I think you already understand and know it. You must find people who read all books a torn in your throat as you may feel that they form a block against your spreading of falsehood and hate.
You probably read none of the above books, and yet you open your mouth with the only apparent intent to divide people, spread hate, and have them fight.
You will not succeed.
It is possible that you did not even read the books of your own belief, which one can deduce from your posts. You are not Christian. I do not thing you are Jewish, but rather only a Zionist who abuses Judaism to achieve ill aims. Anyone knows what the Jewish people generally think of Jesus and the way he was conceived. Anyone one is free to their opinion.
Those who wrote the bible were christians, some born christian, others converts to chriastianity from Judaism and others. Since the converted, they must have seen something in christianity which they did not see in judaism.
Do not try to hide and separate peoples, because what you want is to divide the world in two enemy groups, and that you put yoursel in one camp (the strong and the winner in your eyes).
Your methods are not new, but an old trick others played over times, with skill and success, such as the period of arabs in spain.
The towering father of the Talmud is a man whose name has been disfigured, maybe because people like you want to hide his relation to the islamic and arab worlds.
I will let his name speak for the readers with regards to his heritage and culture:
Abu Imran Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdallah al-Qurtubi
They rejected his name, and used for him another name Rambam. Is there a reason to change one's name?
Do you view his name with possible shame to the point where you use another name instead, while he is the towering figure of today's Jewish Law.
The least you can do to honor his memory is to use his name which he chose for himself during his entire life. That name is not Rambam or Mamonides but, Abu Imran Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdallah al-Qurtubi .
I read the tanakh, the talmud, many of the books of the bible, and the quran.
Unlike you, I read and seek the truth. I think you already understand and know it. You must find people who read all books a torn in your throat as you may feel that they form a block against your spreading of falsehood and hate.
You probably read none of the above books, and yet you open your mouth with the only apparent intent to divide people, spread hate, and have them fight.
You will not succeed.
It is possible that you did not even read the books of your own belief, which one can deduce from your posts. You are not Christian. I do not thing you are Jewish, but rather only a Zionist who abuses Judaism to achieve ill aims. Anyone knows what the Jewish people generally think of Jesus and the way he was conceived. Anyone one is free to their opinion.
Those who wrote the bible were christians, some born christian, others converts to chriastianity from Judaism and others. Since the converted, they must have seen something in christianity which they did not see in judaism.
Do not try to hide and separate peoples, because what you want is to divide the world in two enemy groups, and that you put yoursel in one camp (the strong and the winner in your eyes).
Your methods are not new, but an old trick others played over times, with skill and success, such as the period of arabs in spain.
The towering father of the Talmud is a man whose name has been disfigured, maybe because people like you want to hide his relation to the islamic and arab worlds.
I will let his name speak for the readers with regards to his heritage and culture:
Abu Imran Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdallah al-Qurtubi
They rejected his name, and used for him another name Rambam. Is there a reason to change one's name?
Do you view his name with possible shame to the point where you use another name instead, while he is the towering figure of today's Jewish Law.
The least you can do to honor his memory is to use his name which he chose for himself during his entire life. That name is not Rambam or Mamonides but, Abu Imran Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdallah al-Qurtubi .
Dude:
Go start your own religion, but in its current form only people with a PhD would consider joining you. I suggest that you make your religion a bit accessible to average Joe to join in. Otherwise, your religion will die soon after you are gone.
No, you run away from facts.
Now, about your claim that only one error would show the Qu'ran was not true, and the 200+ contradictions I both linked to and also hand-copied in, and your several "Qu'ran miracles" which I easily lanced, and how you are now remaining silent???
Are you really seeking an inconvenient truth?
For something you claim to believe in, you give up awfully easily.
Accordingly:
Sin = unbelief in Christ
Righteousness = return to the Father.
Judgement = gOd of this world does not exist.
Sin:
Unbelief in Christ began before the foundation of the world.
The world is the effect of unbelief in Christ.
Christ is reality.
Unbelief in reality is insanity.
Sin = insanity.
Righteousness:
The world is not home for the Son of God.
When it becomes apparent that one is not home, the only "right" thing to do is go home.
This is the only definition of righteousness that makes any sense whatsoever.
All else is charades, smoke and mirrors.
Judgement:
The "prince of this world" is called "gOd", or, "gOd of this world".
The "gOd" of this world makes the world.
Other names for "gOd" are:
"Adam"
"Jehovah"
"Allah"
"Consciousness"
"The intelligent universe"
"Ego"
"gOd" has been judged by the Holy Spirit: Does not exist...imposter...idol.
Time is the domain of the "prince of this world" , so, it's days are numbered.
In fact, its days are over, for time is finished, relative to eternity.
The judgement of the "prince of this world" is the same for it's world.
The world does not exist...is an imposter creation...is an idol filled with idols.
Christ!
I told multiple times to give one example (just one) with a black and white answer (no intepretation type of answers). Then provide your proof in here, and we will read it.
I like to read challenges to the Quran, as I have not yet found a mistake. I am looking for mistakes like you are trying to do , but all I have found so far are absolute truths (black/white type of truths).
Reminder of black/white type of answers:
1. Is the working bee female or male?
2. Was the body of the pharaoh preserved in sea or not?
3. etc...
The answers is (Yes or No) type of answers. No maybe, or I think, etc...
Do you rather mean this: "The world is the RESULT/CONSEQUENCE of unbelief in Christ. "
Just so you know that i read your posts.
Yes...effect...result...consequence.
The cause is unbelief in Christ.
So,
Who does not believe in Christ?
"A house divided against itself cannot stand", means that part of the mind of Christ does not believe in itSelf. This is the same as a part desiring to be something other than Christ [desire precedes belief/unbelief]. That is why i say "the universe" is a self-concept. It is the conceptual conception of what is nOt Christ, what is opposed to Christ...what is anti-Christ. So the world is a "mask", and everything that goes on in it is a "masquerade". The world is something that part of Christ's mind wants to "be". This is only temporary...hence...time.
So,
The problem is internal, and psychological.
So,
Salvation is for the mind of Christ.
Salvation is for a split mind, a mind divided in its loyalties.
This is a kind of schizophrenia...sickness.
Salvation "heals" a split mind, and make it whole again.
On one side of his mind is "the universe".
On the other is the Kingdom of God.
Both of these are "within" Christ.
One exists. One does not, but seems real.
This presents a conflict of interests...confusion...darkness.
Everyone on "the universe" side of the mind of Christ is complicit [involved] in the unbelief in Christ. Otherwise, they would not be appearing as self-concepts which deny they are Christ. Therefore, if you ask a christian if he is Christ, and he denies it, he is complicit in the "sin" of unbelief in Christ.
Only Christ is. If one is not Christ, he is in denial. So he exists in the side of Christ's mind that is in denial of Self.
Accordingly, the world is a place of conflict because it is the fallout of mental conflict against the "good" in favor of a concept of "good and evil" together.
So salvation is for mending this mental conflict by empowering the wise to choose between "the universe" and the Kingdom of God.
Jesus chose, and so he was "chosen" [made up his mind, single-minded].
One must be single-minded on this choice because the two options are diametrically opposed, or, unlike each other.
"The universe" is the Kingdom of God turned upside down, backwards, inside out, and blown to bits.
So one must choose.
Murray Turtle enjoys conflict, ignorance, idolatry, viral memes and stupidity.
So his choice is with "the universe" for now. May be for a long long time.
Christ!