Is John McCain running a Bob Dole-like Campaign?

[Trader5287]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

What color is the sky in your world? Our best friends hate us and our enemies hardly respect us after our abortion in Iraq.

You get 2 or 3 guys like this on all the message boards. If it's a trading website, the first thing you notice is few of them trade.


Anyway, the parents are just the type to be very concerned about family legacy.

No doubt in my mind they're horrified by the damage the little runt has done and wish he'd been stillborn.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

It's fascinating to imagine what Jeb may have done. Saw him again in the other night on the tube. He was articulate, composed, humble...

We'll never know now 'cause big brother screwed the pooch.

Quote from Trader5287:

You get 2 or 3 guys like this on all the message boards. If it's a trading website, the first thing you notice is few of them trade.


Anyway, the parents are just the type to be very concerned about family legacy.

No doubt in my mind they're horrified by the damage the little runt has done and wish he'd been stillborn.

 

[Jerry030]

Quote from Gord:

There are huge differences as well. We were not fighting a war. Security was not a large issue. Dole had little appeal to independants and middle of the road Democrats. There wasn't a trainwreck in the Democrat primary where 20% of each side says that if the other side wins they won't vote Democrat.

And an extension of that last point, and most important, Bubba was the incumbent.

I don't see an advantage for the Democrat nominee.

The nation is in a mess: the economy, oil prices, the war we lost in Iraq and the one we are starting to have probelms with in Afganastan. McCain is the status quo of Washington incarnate if not a slight morphing of Bush. Do you really think the country wants 4 more years like the last 8?

 

[Yannis]

Quote from Jerry030:

The nation is in a mess: the economy, oil prices, the war we lost in Iraq and the one we are starting to have probelms with in Afganastan. McCain is the status quo of Washington incarnate if not a slight morphing of Bush. Do you really think the country wants 4 more years like the last 8?

I'm not sure which planet you live on friend, but things down here are not nearly as bad, not if you are not quoting democratic talk points: the economy is bottoming without a recession after a perfectly natural softening that followed 6 years of strong growth; the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unfortunate but we won them both, freed these two miserable countries, and are now helping the locals stay free and tie some loose ends; oil prices have nothing to do with our government but are a result of strong demand and speculation; and McCain is our best candidate, period. Sorry...

 

[Jerry030]

Quote from Yannis:

I'm not sure which planet you live on friend, but things down here are not nearly as bad, not if you are not quoting democratic talk points: the economy is bottoming without a recession after a perfectly natural softening that followed 6 years of strong growth; the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unfortunate but we won them both, freed these two miserable countries, and are now helping the locals stay free and tie some loose ends; oil prices have nothing to do with our government but are a result of strong demand and speculation; and McCain is our best candidate, period. Sorry...

Tell that to Bear Stearns and several million people having their homes repossessed. Oil?---- I thought Chaney figured out our energy policy in 2001? Guess he was as good at that as Donald Rumsfled was about Iraq or "Brownie" was with Katrina. We won Iraq?...tell the to this months crop of dead Amercan soldiers. I'm sure their next of kin woudl be pleased.

The British got their butts kicked out of Irag in 1930, the Russians got chased out of Afganastan in 1989. I predict well get ours kicked out of both as well unless McCain can reinstated the draft and deploy about 500,000 troops.

 

[Yannis]

Quote from Jerry030:

Tell that to Bear Stearns and several million people having their homes repossessed. Oil?---- We won Iraq?...tell the to this months crop of dead Amercan soldiers...

OK, maybe your heart is in the right place, but your argument isn't, not yet.

Business cycles have their ups and downs (that's why they are called cycles) and their victims and victors as well. Many lenders made very bad decisions and lost money, which went into the pockets of their competitors and the economy is still afloat and seems to be recovering as we speak. I feel for borrowers who lost their homes, but we all should be careful not to get into bad deals out of greed: doesn't everybody know by now that variable rates with sharp growth clauses will eat you alive and you should stay away from them? I have borrowed money or refinanced my mortgage half a dozen times over the past 25 years and always got a fixed rate... that's no rocket science. What economic development is more predictable that the fact that interest rates rise and then fall and then rise? We should all be careful and not overborrow... that's not the Government's fault!

We won in Iraq because Saddam is not there any more and the Iraqis are finally free to vote and start fixing their country, that's all. After our own revolution in 1776, America was in a shambles for a while, but then democracy and freedom kicked in and fixed everything in a few years. It takes some time for things to start working right. It happened elsewhere and so I'm sure it'll work out in Iraq and Afghanistan as well, if the democratic nations around the globe lend them a hand. I'm sorry for our casualties and theirs, but a free and stable Middle East is a vital interest not only of those nations but of this country as well, and so our soldiers' sacrifice will not be forgotten - their families know that.

 

[Jerry030]

Quote from Yannis:

It happened elsewhere and so I'm sure it'll work out in Iraq and Afghanistan as well, if the democratic nations around the globe lend them a hand. I'm sorry for our casualties and theirs, but a free and stable Middle East is a vital interest not only of those nations but of this country as well, and so our soldiers' sacrifice will not be forgotten - their families know that.

EHave you heard about a small Asian country called Viet Nam?

Your perspective and logic is straight out of 1966. It took us 20 years to figure out that nationalism trumps a foreign occupying power, even one that offers freedom, democracy and the American way.

We could have saved a ton of money and just let nature take its course. As it turns out they are making our Nike sneakers for 30 cents an hours instead of invading Australia so we won in the end.

 

[Yannis]

Quote from Jerry030:

EHave you heard about a small Asian country called Viet Nam?

Excellent example: that war was started by the Democrats and the Democratic Congress cut off funding in the 70s, pulling us out of that country suddenly, causing the slaughter of 7 million South Vietnamese (practically everybody who could read and write) by the VietCong. What a terrible disaster!

I really hope and pray we don't allow it to replay in Iraq and Afghanistan. As much as I was against this war at the beginning, I believe that we need to finish the job as soon as possible and exit gradually after the locals become able to stay free and take care of themselves.

 

[sho-tim]

till mccain start callin his sef in third person all da tyme, it don't be no boob dole "pain, man.

 

[Jerry030]

Quote from Yannis:

Excellent example: that war was started by the Democrats and the Democratic Congress cut off funding in the 70s, pulling us out of that country suddenly, causing the slaughter of 7 million South Vietnamese (practically everybody who could read and write) by the VietCong. What a terrible disaster!

I really hope and pray we don't allow it to replay in Iraq and Afghanistan. As much as I was against this war at the beginning, I believe that we need to finish the job as soon as possible and exit gradually after the locals become able to stay free and take care of themselves.

Try reading a history book.

Eisenhower got us involved in 1954 after the French got their butts kicked out. We lost under the great Republican leaders Nixon and Ford. The American people were smart enough to understand a stupid pointless war and rioted in the streets to force the idiot politicians to end it once enough of them had died for nothing at all.