Is John McCain running a Bob Dole-like Campaign?

The "manly" hug by McCain...


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Republicans also know for manly hugs...

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Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Good points murray. I think the Teddy Roosevelt point will be crucial. Voters tend to go with the more manly candidate. Maybe it's changing as America becomes increasingly feminized and multiple generations have been indoctrinated with political correctness, but McCain was clearly the manliest of the republicans and he won. Obama is an effete wimp and will look like a girl next to McCain.
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Catfood and the most hated president ever... . McCain hasn't got a prayer of winning in this economy.

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April 28, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Bush Made Permanent
By PAUL KRUGMAN
As the designated political heir of a deeply unpopular president — according to Gallup, President Bush has the highest disapproval rating recorded in 70 years of polling — John McCain should have little hope of winning in November. In fact, however, current polls show him roughly tied with either Democrat.
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Burt Flickinger, a longtime retail consultant, said the last time he saw such significant changes in consumer buying patterns was the late 1970s, when runaway inflation prompted Americans to “switch from red meat to pork to poultry to pasta — then to peanut butter and jelly.”
“It hasn’t gotten to human food mixed with pet food yet,” he said, “but it is certainly headed in that direction.

NYT 4/27/08
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McCain hasn't got a prayer of debating a lawyer or the most eloquent candidate since JFK...

"Mr. McCain is not only burdened with the most despised president in his own 71-year lifetime, but he’s getting none of the seasoning that he, no less than the Democrats, needs to compete in the fall. Age is as much an issue as race and gender in this campaign. Mr. McCain will have to prove not merely that he can keep to the physical rigors of his schedule and fend off investigations of his ties to lobbyists and developers. He also must show he can think and speak fluently about the domestic issues that are gripping the country. Picture him debating either Democrat about health care, the mortgage crisis, stagnant middle-class wages, rice rationing at Costco. It’s not pretty."

----From Frank Rich's NYT Sunday op-ed entitled "How McCain Lost Pennsylvania"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/opinion/27rich.html?pagewanted=print
 
Quote from Trader5287:

Catfood and the most hated president ever... . McCain hasn't got a prayer of winning in this economy... From Frank Rich's NYT Sunday op-ed...
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NYT? Who in his right mind believes that biased rag of liberal propaganda?

Don't forget that GWB is currently doing about 50% better than the Democratic US Congress.

It's true that the liberal media hate Bush because they got badly beaten by him twice. what was that paper saying about it in 2000? How about 2004?

The economic slump is normal and temporary, look at the stock market, it's angling up because they already see the light at the end of the tunnel in the Fall.

McCain is just much more believable and trustworthy, not to mention infinitely more experienced, tried and true, than the other two clowns... It will not be easy, but he has an excellent chance, that's all. :)
 
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Picture him debating either Democrat about health care, the mortgage crisis, stagnant middle-class wages, rice rationing at Costco. It’s not pretty."
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McCain'll clean the floor with Obama. Look at some of the great words of wisdom from the Obamessiah. "Typical white person", bitter people clinging to runs and religon, talking about how taxes are not about revenue but getting even with rich people when he debated Clinton. When Obama is off script he's a nut.

It's a different story with Clinton. She can hold her own. Although it might be interesting to see both her and McCain blow their tops during a debate - both are pretty serious hotheads. But Obama beating McCain in a debate? Dream on. Even the NY Times won't be able to spin it as an Obama victory - it'll be so bad that the Slimes will have to call it a "tie".
 
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McCain'll clean the floor with Obama...
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I'm with you on this, T, but there may be more than meets the eye here. A young friend, freshman in College, who naturally gravitates towards centrist ideas, perhaps leans conservative on many issues, told me that "his mind goes towards McCain but his heart would sort of like to see Obama win, for a change..." We can't forget that the guy (Obama) is very charismatic and pulls many young people into his camp just on his charm and way of keeping words and plans undefined, promising change without telling them what kind of change exactly, etc. Powerful stuff, and he's good at it. :(
 
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I'm with you on this, T, but there may be more than meets the eye here. A young friend, freshman in College, who naturally gravitates towards centrist ideas, perhaps leans conservative on many issues, told me that "his mind goes towards McCain but his heart would sort of like to see Obama win, for a change..." We can't forget that the guy (Obama) is very charismatic and pulls many young people into his camp just on his charm and way of keeping words and plans undefined, promising change without telling them what kind of change exactly, etc. Powerful stuff, and he's good at it. :(
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Obama is only eloquent and charming with a teleprompter or with puffball questions. When he gets tough questions or challenges in an interview or debate he often stumbles over his words with errs and ahhs and is not quick on his feet, and comes across as unprepared. John McCain on the other hand is very comfortable with any question or challenge, often answering with wit and not afraid of any question. I don't always agree with him, but he certainly comes across as more prepared, more confident and more comfortable in tough question situations. I think the debates will show a stark contrast between the two, with John McCain being judged as much more presidential looking in policy and demeanor.
 
QuietTrio, you are exactly on the money. McCain is Dole 2007. Handing the nomination to McCain was a sinecure just as handing the nomination to Dole was, only even more so in the present case. The other Republican candidates were in the race to get their names before the public. The Republican insiders have no delusions. They know, barring a miracle, the 2007 election is lost already.

Both Dole and McCain are fine people who have paid their party dues, and of course both were too old when handed the nomination.

Obama will make intellectual mincemeat of McCain when side by side on TV. McCain will come across as the lovable, open, honest and wise grandfather, halting in his carefully worded statements that he will read. Obama, as the charismatic hope of a nation arising from the ruinous Republican policies of the past 8 years, will come across as bright and quick thinking -- as one with supercharged neural synapses. The contrast will be huge and unmistakable. Obama will be easily able to identify McCain with Bush-Cheney, and that will be that. I'm afraid, there is no Chance for the Republicans this time around. If there were going to be, McCain would certainly not have been the nominee.

I have the greatest respect for John McCain. He would, after all, be an improvement over the present. But practically speaking I see no chance of his election. He is far to old to lead the nation and his thinking is locked in times gone by.
 
WSJ/NBC poll today

"Only 27% of voters have positive views of Republicans..."

"Yet the party's presumptive presidential nominee, Senator John McCain, continues to run nearly even with Democratic rivals .. Obama and Clinton"


What's going on here? How can both be true?

What's going on is very simple and it relates to the thread title.

Americans will not disparage McCain because of their respect for his sacrifice and service. They would not disparage Dole in great numbers either.

What they will do however is just what I said at the start of this thread - - listen politely to Senator McCain and then very quietly go out and vote against him and the other Reps on the slate.

That's the dynamic that explains the WSJ poll result imo and why I say a Dem landslide is coming this fall.
 
Very well said.

Quote from piezoe:

QuietTrio, you are exactly on the money. McCain is Dole 2007. Handing the nomination to McCain was a sinecure just as handing the nomination to Dole was, only even more so in the present case. The other Republican candidates were in the race to get their names before the public. The Republican insiders have no delusions. They know, barring a miracle, the 2007 election is lost already.

Both Dole and McCain are fine people who have paid their party dues, and of course both were too old when handed the nomination.

Obama will make intellectual mincemeat of McCain when side by side on TV. McCain will come across as the lovable, open, honest and wise grandfather, halting in his carefully worded statements that he will read. Obama, as the charismatic hope of a nation arising from the ruinous Republican policies of the past 8 years, will come across as bright and quick thinking -- as one with supercharged neural synapses. The contrast will be huge and unmistakable. Obama will be easily able to identify McCain with Bush-Cheney, and that will be that. I'm afraid, there is no Chance for the Republicans this time around. If there were going to be, McCain would certainly not have been the nominee.

I have the greatest respect for John McCain. He would, after all, be an improvement over the present. But practically speaking I see no chance of his election. He is far to old to lead the nation and his thinking is locked in times gone by.
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