Is Bible inerrant

Quote from Turok:

JohnnyK:
>The good news is that no matter how shoe acts,
>his salvation is guaranteed by God.

The way Shoe acts is not the problem.

JB

The way you act is also not a problem.

Jesus:)
 
Quote from stu:

'Anything as possible' is not logically irrelevant. Hans, it is logically contradictory. The Impossible is not Possible - if it is , then it was never actually Impossible
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Likewise there can be no Supernatural, because if there is, then it was actually always Natural.

stu

"Anything is possible" isn't easy so easy to dispose of when we're dealing with that in the realm of the unknown which may or may not be. We can't know what's impossible in the unknown or even if anything is impossible in the unknown and so we must consider The Impossible as a subset of The Possible in that realm. Thus, in the realm of the unknown even The Impossible is only a possibility and therefore part of The Possible. In other words, to speak of The Impossible in the realm of the unknown is nonsensical. In the realm of the unknown anything is possible.

Again, in the realm of the unknown, we can't know whether or not there is that which may be forever beyond our ken even though it's presence is felt in our known world. It's possible that we may reach a limit determined by our thinking processes in our ability to describe things in the unknown that manifest themselves in our known world through their effects on the known world. Merely being aware of the existence of these things in the unknown that manifest through effects in the known isn't sufficient to incorporate them in the known/natural world. It's fair to categorize these possibilities as the Supernatural because we would have no way to incorporate them into the known/natural world. The Supernatural, like anything else in the unknown, is possible.

Accepting the possibility of the Supernatural isn't a threat to reason. The door doesn't swing open to any and all preposterous explanations for the world. It's precisely because anything's possible that any particular scenario out of the myriad possible scenarios must be justified by supporting evidence and logical consistency if that particular scenario is to chosen over all the other possibilities.

"Anything is Possible" makes it more difficult, not less difficult, for those arguing for preposterous explanations.

Apologies for the long delay. It's been a hectic period.
 
Perhaps it is more beneficial and more open minded, to examine the question, which of these books is the most inerrant:
  • Qur'an
  • Talmud
  • Bible
  • Bhagavad Gita
  • Kojiki
  • Dianetics
  • Sutras
  • Open Letter to the Kansas School Board (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster)
  • Book of Mormon
  • All other Holy Books such as this (list) on Wikipedia
 
Quote from Hansel H:

"Anything is possible" isn't easy so easy to dispose of when we're dealing with that in the realm of the unknown which may or may not be. We can't know what's impossible in the unknown or even if anything is impossible in the unknown and so we must consider The Impossible as a subset of The Possible in that realm. Thus, in the realm of the unknown even The Impossible is only a possibility and therefore part of The Possible. In other words, to speak of The Impossible in the realm of the unknown is nonsensical. In the realm of the unknown anything is possible.

Again, in the realm of the unknown, we can't know whether or not there is that which may be forever beyond our ken even though it's presence is felt in our known world. It's possible that we may reach a limit determined by our thinking processes in our ability to describe things in the unknown that manifest themselves in our known world through their effects on the known world. Merely being aware of the existence of these things in the unknown that manifest through effects in the known isn't sufficient to incorporate them in the known/natural world. It's fair to categorize these possibilities as the Supernatural because we would have no way to incorporate them into the known/natural world. The Supernatural, like anything else in the unknown, is possible.
Hans,
In the realm of the unknown, nothing is known. As soon as anything is known it is no longer in the realm of the unknown., it is "interpreted" in the realm of the known

Quote from Hansel H:

Accepting the possibility of the Supernatural isn't a threat to reason. The door doesn't swing open to any and all preposterous explanations for the world. It's precisely because anything's possible that any particular scenario out of the myriad possible scenarios must be justified by supporting evidence and logical consistency if that particular scenario is to chosen over all the other possibilities.

In the realm of 'the Supernatural' if anything is possible then that same anything is equally impossible. Nothing possible without it also is equally impossible.
If that anything was always possible, Naturally, it was always possible. Always impossible, then likewise naturally, always impossible.
It is clear that anything is not always possible or impossible Supernaturally.
There really can be nothing which is is Supernatural. It will always be Natural, no matter how bizarre..

Quote from Hansel H:

"Anything is Possible" makes it more difficult, not less difficult, for those arguing for preposterous explanations.

I think I follow what you are meaning with this , but I would say "Anything is Possible" is as difficult as "Anything is Impossible". They both present themselves as logical contradictions once one gets past an utterance of only the words .
And so yes, it is my view also , they are both difficult for those arguing preposterous explanations for places where those statements are supposed to reside , Such as in the Supernatural for instance !

Hey, no probs with delays, leastways the 'dog didn't eat it' this time ;)
Happy New Year.
 
Quote from stu:

In the realm of 'the Supernatural' if anything is possible then that same anything is equally impossible. Nothing possible without it also is equally impossible.
If that anything was always possible, Naturally, it was always possible. Always impossible, then likewise naturally, always impossible.
It is clear that anything is not always possible or impossible Supernaturally.
There really can be nothing which is is Supernatural. It will always be Natural, no matter how bizarre..



I will call the realm of the known, 'natural'.
I will call the realm of the unknown, 'supernatural'.

Heaven is known.
Earth is forged out of the unknown.

Heaven is real, natural.
Earth is unreal, supernatural.

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

The supernatural world is an 'anything goes' type environment.
Anything goes except the truth, that is. This is the realm of, "make your own reality".

The natural world is built on truth.

Supernatural is an attempt to make the impossible possible by permanently subverting the truth.
It proposes "time" instead of eternity, which is natural. Time's days are numbered.

Is it possible that the free Son of God can be chained and bound to the supernatural realms? Ultimately, no. He needs a Guide, but then, that is how he set it up. Without the Guide, the impossible is possible, and he can be imprisoned in his own mind. But the Guide to truth will free any who surrender to it.

Jesus
 
Quote from I am...:

I will call the realm of the known, 'natural'.
I will call the realm of the unknown, 'supernatural'.

Heaven is known.
Earth is forged out of the unknown.

Heaven is real, natural.
Earth is unreal, supernatural.

Jesus
I will call the realm of that , 'bullshite'

stu
 
Quote from Compulsive:

:eek:


You are what you believe

Amen brother. Excellent treatise.

To empower the reader yet more, "man" must be clarified.
"Man" is already the product of thought, as well as his circumstances.

At some point, something defines the term "man" and says, "I am that".
I'll define that 'something' as consciousness.
I'll give consciousness a name: "Adam".

Consciousness is the first split from the realm of the known, from the Divine.
Consciousness steps into the realm of the unknown.
It is consciousness which says, "I am what I think".

Before consciousness, its more like, "I am", or, "I am all that is", or, "I am that which I am". There is no attempt to alter what is.
"Man" is among a legion of identities taken up by consciousness. It is an alteration of what is. What is unreal can only be believed. Thus, man is a product - the effect - of belief.

James' book is for those who have identified as "man". Now what?

The information can be used to change the experience of man.
It can also be used to lift man out of manhood, back to the Divine.

Man emerges from the Divine along a process of thought.
He returns by a process of thought.

Jesus
 
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