Is Bible inerrant

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Johnny,

If you could take off your Rev Moon mask for just a minute and be JohnnyK again, I wouldn't mind dialoguing. But what happens now is I respond with one or two sentences and you write back forty three sentences of gnostic, New Age mantras.

If I wanted that, I could just go to Barnes and Noble and buy about any of a hundred books there...
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Good news!

The following 42 lines of text can be found in the "Christianity" section at Barnes and Noble. :)

No need to read them here.

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Forgive me if this bores you, but I thought you might be the one person who would be interested in this. Again, if I'm wrong, forgive me for discussing at length something you are not even interested in.

There is a huge connection that is only of interest to Christians regarding the Old Testament. One of the themes emphasized in the Old Testament over and over and over and over - I'm sure you get the idea - again is the concept that the nations will be redeemed after the time of Babel. At Babel (Gen 11 I believe) God split up the earth into differing ethnolinguistic groups. The concept of these nations being restored to God was told to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob...and is followed up repeatedly in the prophets as well. You cannot get very far in the Old Testament w/o running into this theme.

Now the curious thing, of course, is that the Jews have never been particularly outwardly-focused. They are an incredibly strong people, but I don't think anyone would argue that they have tended, both before Christ or after, to "stick to themselves". How many great Jewish evangelists can you think of for example? Yet the Old Testament was clear that this was God's ultimate purpose. So why the dichotomy?

Of course, the answer came with Jesus' words in Matthew: "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matt 24:14) Jesus had several other references to this same theme including the famous Great Commission verses. And, of course, the rest of the New Testament is all about the gospel spreading to the Gentiles.

And it is important to note early Christianity exploded through the Roman Empire. By the time of Constantine, secular scholars estimate that between 1/10th and 1/3rd of the Roman Empire was Christian. Some secular scholars have admitted that this often done through martydom and persecution. And one scholar even admitted that it was often done through the miraculous. What a contrast with the Judaism of the last millenium!

Since then martyrs and modern day apostles have paid dearly for taking the gospel to the nations and now the gospel has penetrated a high percentage of these ethnolinguistic groups.

This is the reason for the Old Testament. Remember that the Old Testament had a HUGE number of commandments. But Jesus told the Israelites that there was really only one: "Thou shall love the Lord Thy God with all Thy heart, soul, mind and strength." Think how astonishing this is: He distilled all the commands to really just one. And this is a common theme with Jesus, a sort of minimalism or essentialism.

Why all the verbiage in the Old Testment? I don't know. Why all the temple ceremonies? I don't know. But Jesus came so that we would have understanding and that is what counts. Remember that the New Testament is EXTREMELY clear: you are not bound nor do you even have to understand all the ceremonial law.

Jesus made it clear that these were drastically different times. He said, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way..." (Matt 19:8) Jesus clearly stated that many things were allowed in the Old Testament because the people simply were not ready.

Of course, no anti-Christian will believe that as they are always looking for a reason to rip God because that fits into their world view. But Jesus begged to differ with them. Again, He said clearly that things were allowed in the Old Testament that should never have been. And He went on to abolish polygamy and commanded people at the Sermon on the Mount to even get their thought life in control. Of course, He also attacked abuse of the poor at the hands of rich religious hypocrits.

And here's where I'm headed: you cannot understand the Old Testament unless you understand that 1) it's purpose was to redeem the nations and 2) many things were allowed by God that were not His ideal.
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For that matter, almost anything anybody talks about can be found at Barnes and Nobles with the exception of proprietary information, or such things as how to dismantle an atomic bomb.

Now, although what I am explaining can be found at Barnes and Noble, you have yet to find it there, and would probably burn through 100 books before you really got what I am talking about.

If you go to the "New Age" section, you will find many books that have not much correspondence to what I am talking about. The label "New Age" is not an honest appraisal. You would do better to simply define what New Age thought means to you, so that some meaning can be given to what is otherwise a meaningless term. I'm sure that once you define what is New Age thought, we will find that you are the one who falls into that category, as I have already pointed out in another post.

I am here to clarify a few things. You are privileged to get information this way. Everyone here is wearing a mask. Even were you to use your birth name it would still be a mask. To dismiss communication based on such an excuse is itself a mask. What do you fear that needs such a mask?

Jesus
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy::

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Why look for a needle in a haystack, when you can have a whole set of needles delivered to you Fed Ex?

Even then, you're not done. Now you must thread the needle to enter the kingdom of God.

Keep in mind, it takes just as much energy to not find the kingdom of God as it does to find it. The only question is, where are you expending your energy, and what for?

Jesus
 
Quote from yip1997:


Jesus said, (Matt 5:17) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
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It's tricky to determine what I actually said vs. what is put into my mouth when reading the New Testament. Even then, a single word interpreted incorrectly can change the whole meaning of what I said.

In this case, the word "fulfill" in incorrect. Rather, I interpreted the law and the prophets. You will notice that I reduced ten of Moses commandments to one, and then added a commandment of my own.

Now, if you take this as an example of my style of interpretation, you can imagine how I interpret the rest of the Bible.

The word "abolish" should be interpreted as "attack". I do not attack, I interpret. Essentially, I am a translator.

Take Genesis for example. Has anyone considered that it may have originally been a valuable parable regarding the origins of the world...only to have many of it's verses cut out and changed..thus changing it's entire meaning?

That should not be too difficult to understand, when you consider that this is exactly what happened to my message after Paul got through with it.

One must reconstruct what I must have said either by inference, or, by gaining the truth from another source, and then make comparisons.

Likewise, Genesis could be reconstructed by a truthful interpreter so that it has meaning where there was no meaning before.

Jesus
 
Quote from I am...:

One must reconstruct what I must have said either by inference, or, by gaining the truth from another source, and then make comparisons.

Jesus
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What is the other source? Did you publish a new book? Is it available from Barnes and Noble?
 
Quote from yip1997:

What is the other source? Did you publish a new book? Is it available from Barnes and Noble?
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Ultimately, the source of truth is within you, because you are the Truth, even as I am the Truth. However, easy access has been denied due to intentional repression of truth before this world began. And this is because this world cannot coexist with the truth. Therefore, if this world is desired, which it was, then the truth must be denied. Denied, it is repressed and long forgotten.

The good news is that you can find it at Barnes and Noble. :)

Now, it seems that Barnes and Noble is outside of you. And I don't recommend seeking the truth outside of you. Instead, think of Barnes and Noble as inside of you, for that is the truth. And inside of you there are many thoughts represented by so many books. Most are fiction. But there is a Light within you that can never be put out, and that is represented by the very few books that are non-fiction...those that contain truth.

Like your thoughts, many of the books contain both true and false statements. There is at least one however, that contains only true statements. Rather, it contains exactly what I want to convey to those who are of a mind to comprehend the bigger picture.

I will not state the title, because all you need do is set the compass of your will toward the truth, and you will find it. One way or another, you will find it, if this title is meant for you to find. If you do not find it directly, you may find it indirectly, by reference.

The issuance of this particular title coincides with a decision made by Pope John XXIII relative to the purpose of the Second Vatican counsel. Basically, it was a decision to open the doors to revelation. This basically invited Light to come into the world. Simultaneously, I met the request of two who decided to find a better way together. And I issued a definitive, comprehensive explanation of my previously misunderstood teachings. It was not issued to the Catholic Church. It contains no errors.

Blessings upon your research. You are indeed approaching these things in a most efficient manner.

Call your true thoughts to come to you.

Jesus
 
Quote from I am...:

I see you caught my dry humor. It turns out that you can save time trying to understand shoeshineboy's ideology by just reading this one simple book:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780764544828&itm=2

Your welcome,

Jesus
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Shoe doesn't deserve that cut. He has imperfections like we all do, but for my money he is one of the few Christians that comes on here and actually acts like one might think a christian should.

Shame on you Johnny

JB
 
Quote from Turok:

Shoe doesn't deserve that cut. He has imperfections like we all do, but for my money he is one of the few Christians that comes on here and actually acts like one might think a christian should.

Shame on you Johnny

JB
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Well, isn't this ironic? An atheist is protecting me from Jesus. :D
 
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