Is Atheism a crutch for people who don’t understand the complexity of God?

Quote from Gringinho:

So, your point is that it is up to each and everyone to have faith or not, and it is voluntarily?
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Faith in truth is voluntary, yes. Meanwhile, faith in what is false will maintain one's experience in this rediculous parody of creation called "the universe"...entirely an effect of faith in what is false. [Think: King-sized faith] It may be painful, but it is not a punishment. Think of it as a priviledge...a gift to self...not given by our Father...because it is nothing. It is an unnatural use of mind-power to make fantasy seem real. "The universe" is a very insignificant idea that passed instantly in and out of the mind of Christ/Reality...a joke taken briefly seriously...like a drug that temporarily incapacitates the mind. Though not given by our Father, "the universe" can never be taken away from you, because you believe in it. Nothing the Son of God believes can be taken from him, so letting it go must be voluntary. "The universe" cannot kill the Son of God, although it seems to kill everything in it. It is faith in death that kills what can be killed: symbols. And it is faith in attack which sets everything in the universe at war with everything within it. All of this faith is voluntary, and can be withdrawn at anytime, though it seems involuntary, imposed, and sticky. At the time faith is withdrawn from unreality, the truth seems far off, distant, untrue, even insane. It cannot be seen with human eyes, and there is no evidence that it is there at all. Therefore, salvation asks that you place faith in the truth, regardless of evidence, because it is reasonable...and because you want it to be true! In this way, you turn the tables on the "laws" of mind which dominate "the universe" and which uphold it. When your faith is undivided, the "kingdom" will "come" to your awareness. Faith follows desire. If you are experiencing "the universe", it is because you wanted it. If you are experiencing truth, it is because you want it more than what is false. The good news is that, despite millions of years of desire for what is false, your desire for what is true is stronger, and unchangeable. The desire for what is false is changeable, like everything that is false.

Jesus
 
Quote from Gringinho:

You are truly delusional and a liar as well.
You just claimed that logic and philosophy cannot prove Abrahamic religion, and now you say "I use science to prove that it is illogical to state science says God does not exist."

How can anyone debate you when you are clearly off a cliff? Do you even think that you live on planet Earth?

wow I thought you were smarter than that.

Prove the non existence of God. use science to prove there was no creator of the big bang. That is just one example why I state science is not on the side of the atheist.

Do you want more?
 
Quote from Gringinho:

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You just claimed that logic and philosophy cannot prove Abrahamic religion


Exactly because RELIGION ISNT BOUND BY THEM.

and now you say "I use science to prove that it is illogical to state science says God does not exist.

Yes! Because science is bound by logic. Its bound by rules and hasn't yet proved anything for or against a supreme being. Are you seeing the bigger picture yet?
 
Quote from jonbig04:

I don't understand why you cant comprehend this, but it seems the only way for you to see that this will go nowhere is to go nowhere with you....

Perhaps a supreme being was bored and decided to alter the carbon dating data just because he is an asshole and wants to throw you off.

What does Abraham have to do with proving and disproving a supreme bring?

To sum up, your best case argument is this: "Abraham is wrong, so God does not exist". Do you see how ridiculous that is?

That "Abraham is wrong, so God does not exist" is not at all what I am saying. I am saying that what is being believed and taught within Abrahamic religion about the creation of mankind is all false - as proven by science through evolution etc.

I am not saying anything about a "finely tuned universe" and that other stuff about "divinity".
 
Quote from jonbig04:

Quote from Gringinho:

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You just claimed that logic and philosophy cannot prove Abrahamic religion


Exactly because RELIGION ISNT BOUND BY THEM.

and now you say "I use science to prove that it is illogical to state science says God does not exist.

Yes! Because science is bound by logic. Its bound by rules and hasn't yet proved anything for or against a supreme being. Are you seeing the bigger picture yet?

Dude,
I was the one talking about the Leap of faith here months ago, and even in this thread...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_of_faith

I know fully what faith is.
 
Quote from Gringinho:

I am saying that what is being believed and taught within Abrahamic religion about the creation of mankind is all false - as proven by science through evolution etc.


Ok so you do concede that there is no evidence against a supreme being? Good.


Next, why exactly do you think evolution disproves anything?

Your argument now is "Since evolution has been proved to be real, God cannot have created man".


Is that what you are saying?
 
Quote from jem:

wow I thought you were smarter than that.

Prove the non existence of God. use science to prove there was no creator of the big bang. That is just one example why I state science is not on the side of the atheist.

Do you want more?

Where in the bible, talmud or koran does it say anything about the big bang, quantum mechanics or similar?

I keep saying that creationism as being taught in Abrahamic religion has been proved wrong by science.
 
Quote from jonbig04:

Ok so you do concede that there is no evidence against a supreme being? Good.


Next, why exactly do you think evolution disproves anything?

Your argument now is "Since evolution has been proved to be real, God cannot have created man".


Is that what you are saying?

Read - my - lips ...

I am saying that creationism - as being taught in Abrahamic religion has been disproved.

Period. Please use your reading skills.

This proof is of course to great help for atheists.
 
Quote from I am...:

Faith in truth is voluntary, yes.
...
Jesus

Since it is up to each and everyone to have faith or not, and it is voluntarily - as we now agree on...

Is it right to force someone to accept a belief? Or would that be a serious sin?
 
Quote from Gringinho:

Where in the bible, talmud or koran does it say anything about the big bang, quantum mechanics or similar?

I keep saying that creationism as being taught in Abrahamic religion has been proved wrong by science.



OK so your case is that "since modern quantum mechanics wasn't mentioned in the bible, that particular God cannot have created man"?


Hmmmmmmm...its getting thin...
 
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