Is Atheism a crutch for people who don’t understand the complexity of God?

Quote from jonbig04:

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Go ahead. Go searching for your answers, but chances are you will realize what everyone in history realizes...your attempts are feeble and we all know nothing.

We now know that the creation history is bullshit.
Through DNA we have proven that we share so much with other primates. We also see similar evolution in other species.

That is good proof.
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Would you rather believe that "it is God's will"? That is a BIG cop-out but it also kills the interest in religion and the belief of a supreme being if you assign these finite, human characteristic to a non-existent, "personal god". "God does not heal the amputees", God does not interfere and there is ample evidence to that.
Quote from Thunderdog:

That's a little too deep for my taste. But I can only imagine what nefarious thoughts, collective and/or individual, the victims of Katrina and the recent tsunami must have held to deserve their fate. And all of the starving and ailing innocent children, not only in Third World countries, but right here at home. And the innocent victims of senseless crimes. And the innocent civilians of military offensives. And those stricken with terminal illnesses. The list goes on. Those bastids all had it coming, eh? (Hey, this self-righteous smugness feels pretty good!)

P.S. Some folks just can't accept the notion that they are not in complete control, can they? While implicitly passing judgment, of course. (Ahem.)
 
Quote from jonbig04:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
log·ic
–noun
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference


Its probably not logical for something to be beyond logic, but who knows.


Hahaha,
you don't go to a dictionary to understand what the science of logic is... See "model theory" and the works of Gödel.
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Quote from andrasnm:

There is a saying from my poker days; "Lady Luck is a Fickle Bitch and Her Name is Karma"...
I don't care to "convert" you (or anyone for that matter) to my way of thinking. I also stand behind my statement. Evertything is either karma based or a product of individual or collective thoughts. When (and IF) you think about (and have life experience) to validate this by careful observation of your own life, you will see this way too.

Well, if you think that everything is already planned out - then you are a believer of fate. Then you also reject the notion of "free will". Therefore there can be no sin or good deeds. I.e no saints, demons etc.

If you are not able to reason about your claim "nothing is random", then I think you are sadly equipped to think at all. Also - how about those atheists 100-400 years ago -- were they severely outnumbered or what? I.e your claims of "people thought disease was random" are narrowed to pretty specific small groups.

You sound like you practice bibliomancy to do your trading, daily routine etc...
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Quote from jem:

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My statement was science is not on the side of the Atheist. (To make sure you get it - I will spell it out.) That statement does not mean Science is on the side of the Theist.

You really should check your emotions - that cause you to make illogical conclusions.

Well, when it comes to evolution - science is on the side of atheists. We know that through the knowledge of DNA - species sharing similar DNA etc - in fact proving evolution.

Try and beat that using similar logic.
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Quote from jonbig04:

You are right, that is the most repeated argument, but I asked for evidence against a supreme being's existence. We haven't even gotten far enough to start to ponder the attributes of that being. Lets start at the beginning then maybe one day we will get to the being's nature, but as of right now we haven't even established whether he is exists or not.


Well, if we are at the beginning, and there is no Christian god, pagan gods, etc., then we are left at a serious stalemate. No evidence for or against. I have a hard time conceptualizing why a supreme being would bother with evolution; however, and we have discovered soooo much in the last few hundred years that religion was sure was created by God. Lightening for one. The existence of atoms and how nearly everything works for another.

I almost wish I was a scientist instead of a trader. Can't think of many professions cooler than astrophysics. These guys discover something new every year.

I also really hope I am still alive if science is able to create life from combining amino acids. That will pretty much end every "logical" argument for creation, but we will be left with what was there before the Big Bang, or another mind bender, what is on the other side of the universe?
 
Quote from Gringinho:

Well, when it comes to evolution - science is on the side of atheists. We know that through the knowledge of DNA - species sharing similar DNA etc - in fact proving evolution.

Try and beat that using similar logic.
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it gets better than that for proving evolution. Scientists can now induce it in real time using bacteria. They use bacteria due to thousands of lifespans in a short period of time. They are simply dumping bacteria into petri dishes, and then radically adjusting the environment without killing them. The damn things evolve. They should sell kits for this like those home ant farms!
 
Quote from Jayford:

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I almost wish I was a scientist instead of a trader. Can't think of many professions cooler than astrophysics. These guys discover something new every year.

I also really hope I am still alive if science is able to create life from combining amino acids. That will pretty much end every "logical" argument for creation, but we will be left with what was there before the Big Bang, or another mind bender, what is on the other side of the universe?

Biochemistry is much faster evolving than astrophysics...

Just wait when they are able to change the telomerase in all of us. They already did on some worms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomerase

Geron Corporation is one-to-watch for the future if you want to invest...
The US government may not be too happy about extending life expectancy for anyone, though... hehehe, the deficit and all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
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Quote from Gringinho:

Well, when it comes to evolution - science is on the side of atheists. We know that through the knowledge of DNA - species sharing similar DNA etc - in fact proving evolution.

Try and beat that using similar logic.
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Sorry - on this one you are out of context and therefore incorrect.

Science is not on a theist or atheist side. If evolution is a fact (depending on how you define evolution - It could very well be) that does not mean that science is on the side of atheists.

Your argument would seem to be that Evolution is a fact - therefore God does not exist. I wonder how you could even begin to call that argument logical.

Therefore, I am sure you would agree Science is not on the side of the atheist.
 
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