Hmm. Well considering the fact that no one in the history of the world has gotten anywhere regarding these questions (Socrates, Aristotle, Einstein) I would say its a safe bet that we will have a tough time too. But I suppose you are right, anything could happen, I don't know. Go ahead. Go searching for your answers, but chances are you will realize what everyone in history realizes...your attempts are feeble and we all know nothing.
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Is Atheism a crutch for people who donât understand the complexity of God?
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Hmm. Well considering the fact that no one in the history of the world has gotten anywhere regarding these questions (Socrates, Aristotle, Einstein) I would say its a safe bet that we will have a tough time too. But I suppose you are right, anything could happen, I don't know. Go ahead. Go searching for your answers, but chances are you will realize what everyone in history realizes...your attempts are feeble and we all know nothing.
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You open-mindedness is most inspiring. And your position is "better than rational?" Breathtaking! However, just keeping it at the "rational" agnostic level for the moment, I suspect that there is a lot of fodder in that folder. After all, we cannot scientifically disprove the claims of scientologists, therefore, it is only "rational" that we keep an open mind about their cherished beliefs. Then there are the pagan beliefs that must be given their due because, after all, we cannot definitively disprove them with measures of science. And let us not forget Bertrand Russell's celestial teapot. Frankly, I don't know how "rational" agnostics get around with so much baggage. How fortunate for you (and portable!) that your beliefs are even "better than rational."
This is a good point, and one reason why these arguments rarely go anywhere. It is very difficult to prove something does not exist. Impossible usually. Sasquatch, UFO's, or as I posed to TZ, prove the Tooth Fairy does not exist (that one really got him riled about my lack of intelligence).
Point being, it is much easier to prove something does exist. Bring me a Sasquatch corpse, and I'll believe it. Absolute proof. Don't even need to say anything.
This argument will rage till the end of time (or end of humans anyway). There is no way God will ever be disproved, although there is a ton of evidence against it unless one believes in the 13.5 billion year old universe, evolution AND God. Then its just a philosophical debate (why does God allow all the misery, etc.). I enter these debates knowing full well I won't change any minds. Its just fun in a warped way I suppose.
Jayford
Again, that's just you stating people got nowhere. 'There is far more understanding in heaven and earth than you may comprehend Horatio, Bro'Quote from jonbig04:
Hmm. Well considering the fact that no one in the history of the world has gotten anywhere regarding these questions (Socrates, Aristotle, Einstein) I would say its a safe bet that we will have a tough time too. But I suppose you are right, anything could happen, I don't know. Go ahead. Go searching for your answers, but chances are you will realize what everyone in history realizes...your attempts are feeble and we all know nothing.
Quote from Jayford:
This is a good point, and one reason why these arguments rarely go anywhere. It is very difficult to prove something does not exist. Impossible usually. Sasquatch, UFO's, or as I posed to TZ, prove the Tooth Fairy does not exist (that one really got him riled about my lack of intelligence).
TZ always ignores people who make him look stupid.
Point being, it is much easier to prove something does exist. Bring me a Sasquatch corpse, and I'll believe it. Absolute proof. Don't even need to say anything.
I agree with your overall statement, but I think your are overlooking the vastness of the dilemma. After all, if God exists, he could easily create a Sasquatch corpse without any of them actually existing.
This argument will rage till the end of time (or end of humans anyway). There is no way God will ever be disproved, although there is a ton of evidence against it unless one believes in the 13.5 billion year old universe, evolution AND God. Then its just a philosophical debate (why does God allow all the misery, etc.). I enter these debates knowing full well I won't change any minds. Its just fun in a warped way I suppose.
I agree with the first part, however I don't agree with the next. The nature of a supreme being is so that it can never be disproved. There is NO evidence against a supreme being, because evidence implies that said being is bound to some sort of logic...when, by definition, its not.
Then God is logically beyond the realm of logic, or It is logically not.Quote from jonbig04:
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God doesn't have to "make sense". There is no logic.
The nature of "God" is such that it is beyond the realm of logic.
Either way I would suggest at least that far, God does have to make sense.
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Then God is logically beyond the realm of logic, or It is logically not.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
log÷ic
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1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference
Its probably not logical for something to be beyond logic, but who knows.
It doesn't matter, that was not the point.Quote from jonbig04:
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
log÷ic
ââ¬ânoun
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference
Its probably not logical for something to be beyond logic, but who knows.
You saidâ¦. "The nature of "God" is such that it is beyond the realm of logic."
You now seem to be shifting away from that.
Did you mean to say maybe or perhaps The nature of "God" is such that it is beyond the realm of logic?
Just trying to get it clear
If God is beyond the realm of logic, God is illogical. Then along with âmakes no senseâ I think you also said, God would be irrelevant and pointless for the role of God too.
Those donât appear to be the attributes one might normally associate with a supreme being .
Mealymouthed nonsenses like "beyond all understanding" render a supposedly all powerful being understandably pointless, if it can't be understood.