Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling
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this shows co2 trails ocean warming.
this shows co2 trails ocean warming.
concentrate on this.
"The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11â12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes."
See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008
this is obviously more speculative but it is very possible.
"there is no relationship between the fossil carbon emissions curve and the annual carbon increase curve. That is because all the fossil emissions carbon is taken up by the biosphere or by the oceans according to Henryâs Law, and then sequestered there. The carbon in the atmosphere is controlled by temperature. "
"there is no relationship between the fossil carbon emissions curve and the annual carbon increase curve. That is because all the fossil emissions carbon is taken up by the biosphere or by the oceans according to Henryâs Law, and then sequestered there. The carbon in the atmosphere is controlled by temperature. "
[/QUOTE]this was too advanced for fraudcurrents but why don't you take a look at it convexx.
now how can you be sure man made co2 is doing anything?
The shape of the annual carbon increase resembles the shape of the global sea surface temperature (HADSST3), especially after reliable CO2 measurements began by Keeling after March 1958. Several known events are visible. Counting backwards: the 1998 El Niño, the 1994-5 El Niño, Mt Pinatubo in 1991, the 1986-7 El Niño, Mt Ruiz in 1985, El Chichon eruption in 1982, the 1972-3 El Niño, etc. Every positive peak is an El Niño and every negative peak is associated with a major volcanic eruption.
As can be seen in Figure 1, there is no relationship between the fossil carbon emissions curve and the annual carbon increase curve. That is because all the fossil emissions carbon is taken up by the biosphere or by the oceans according to Henryâs Law, and then sequestered there. The carbon in the atmosphere is controlled by temperature. This has been described by Dr. Murry Salby in this presentations at Sydney and Hamburg. He compares the CO2 curve to the integral of temperature. Here, I am going the other way mathematically, taking the differential of the CO2 curve as temperature and comparing it to known temperature data, the HADSST3 data.
- See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2013/10/08/...-co2-and-not-vice-versa/#sthash.gBOX3Ftl.dpuf
"there is no relationship between the fossil carbon emissions curve and the annual carbon increase curve. That is because all the fossil emissions carbon is taken up by the biosphere or by the oceans according to Henryâs Law, and then sequestered there. The carbon in the atmosphere is controlled by temperature. "
Complete and total horseshit. The extra CO2 is not completely taken up by biosphere and ocean. Hell, common sense tells us that.
The fact that you repeat it, and KNOW it's horseshit means you are just a liar. Nothing more. You are too smart to NOT know it's bullshit. How someone who goes to church as you do and also repeat these lies is a mystery.
Now jem, if you want to admit having mental health problems we MAY be able to exonerate you somewhat and change the label from "liar" to "crazy person".
Lying for your ideology is no excuse. You are just lying. You know it.
Unfortunately you are all of the above. Crazy, ideologically warped, AND a liar.
Anyone with a sense of ethics and responsibility for future generations must fight you and others like you on this.
Ideology should never supersede knowledge, and lies for ideology are still lies.
Complete and total horseshit. The extra CO2 is not completely taken up by biosphere and ocean. Hell, common sense tells us that.
The fact that you repeat it, and KNOW it's horseshit means you are just a liar. Nothing more. You are too smart to NOT know it's bullshit. How someone who goes to church as you do and also repeat these lies is a mystery.
Now jem, if you want to admit having mental health problems we MAY be able to exonerate you somewhat and change the label from "liar" to "crazy person".
Lying for your ideology is no excuse. You are just lying. You know it.
Unfortunately you are all of the above. Crazy, ideologically warped, AND a liar.
Anyone with a sense of ethics and responsibility for future generations must fight you and others like you on this.
Ideology should never supersede knowledge, and lies for ideology are still lies.
Climate scientist drops the F-bomb after startling Arctic discovery
Thereâs nothing like Twitter to take a complicated issue and force you to break it down to its essence. In a case where scientists in the Arctic discovered massive plumes of methane escaping from the seafloor, climatologist and Arctic expert Jason Box sums that essence up thusly:
If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we're f'd.
â Jason Box (@climate_ice) July 29, 2014 more . . .
Thereâs nothing like Twitter to take a complicated issue and force you to break it down to its essence. In a case where scientists in the Arctic discovered massive plumes of methane escaping from the seafloor, climatologist and Arctic expert Jason Box sums that essence up thusly:
If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we're f'd.
â Jason Box (@climate_ice) July 29, 2014 more . . .
The hypocrite deleted his comment that the second graph was "problematic"
virtually nothing is well known..
this is global warming theory.... not fact.
science is just learning whats happening.
Some co2 is also off gassed into space.
Again... if any of you nutters has an science that man made co2 is causing warming... you are welcome to present it.
this is global warming theory.... not fact.
science is just learning whats happening.
Some co2 is also off gassed into space.
Again... if any of you nutters has an science that man made co2 is causing warming... you are welcome to present it.
methane is different and probably is more troubling than co2 if you are concerned about warming.
to whom are you referring.
there is nothing new about the current sea level rising. its been going on for a very long time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/
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There are proxy records, including organic and ocean sediment data, that provide a picture of past temperatures. But how can we really know the history of sea level changes dating back hundreds of years, or even during recent times?
Larry, tidal station gauges have been in existence for a century now, and as I mentioned earlier, the measured rate of sea level rise has been quite constant, about 18 cm per century. We can also get some picture of temperature and sea level changes over past millennia by looking at melting shrinkage rates of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. This can be determined by noting how much its âgrounding lineâ, the points where it makes contact with the underlying land mass, has receded. Unlike floating sea ice which doesnât influence sea level when it melts, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is part of the land mass. When it melts, it adds to sea level just as melting glaciers do.
The end of the last Ice Age 18,000 years ago caused the sea level to rise by a huge amountâ¦about 400 feet. This change happened rapidly at first, caused primarily by the melting of huge ice sheets covering North America and Eurasian land masses which disappeared about 8000-5000 years ago.
The West Antarctic Ice sheet began to melt at that time also, but at a much slower rate, and that melting continues today. We might expect this melting to continue until it is gone in another 7,000 years or so⦠or until the next Ice Age, whichever comes first. Other smaller ice sheets that once existed in the Antarctic are already gone. The oceans will continue to rise, despite anything President Obama may attempt in order to stop them.
there is nothing new about the current sea level rising. its been going on for a very long time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/
...
There are proxy records, including organic and ocean sediment data, that provide a picture of past temperatures. But how can we really know the history of sea level changes dating back hundreds of years, or even during recent times?
Larry, tidal station gauges have been in existence for a century now, and as I mentioned earlier, the measured rate of sea level rise has been quite constant, about 18 cm per century. We can also get some picture of temperature and sea level changes over past millennia by looking at melting shrinkage rates of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. This can be determined by noting how much its âgrounding lineâ, the points where it makes contact with the underlying land mass, has receded. Unlike floating sea ice which doesnât influence sea level when it melts, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is part of the land mass. When it melts, it adds to sea level just as melting glaciers do.
The end of the last Ice Age 18,000 years ago caused the sea level to rise by a huge amountâ¦about 400 feet. This change happened rapidly at first, caused primarily by the melting of huge ice sheets covering North America and Eurasian land masses which disappeared about 8000-5000 years ago.
The West Antarctic Ice sheet began to melt at that time also, but at a much slower rate, and that melting continues today. We might expect this melting to continue until it is gone in another 7,000 years or so⦠or until the next Ice Age, whichever comes first. Other smaller ice sheets that once existed in the Antarctic are already gone. The oceans will continue to rise, despite anything President Obama may attempt in order to stop them.