This is silly. Its like saying Jeffrey Dahmer deserves a statue. Criminals don't get statues. But historical figures that changed American history can. They don't have to, but if the point of the statue is to teach history, then that is fine by me. You don't have to agree, of course.
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This is silly. Its like saying Jeffrey Dahmer deserves a statue. Criminals don't get statues. But historical figures that changed American history can. They don't have to, but if the point of the statue is to teach history, then that is fine by me. You don't have to agree, of course.
I never called you a racist but feel free to interject any hyperbole into the discussion.
I just dont get how Southerners do not look at Confederates as traitors who wanted to overthrow the U.S. government and instead want them to be honored in town squares as though what they did was heroic.
Once again, you're obviously not following the thread very well. So let me say that "I never said you called me a racist." But Tony insinuated that this belief is racist (that most Conservatives believe that the South should have won a war based in slavery). Maybe we can get into the whole "I never said you said I said" thing next.
As for you not getting how Southerners don't look at confederates as traitors, they probably don't expect you to. There are lots of things you argue against that I - personally - don't understand why you don't get.
The fact that you dont understand why people do not want to honor traitors in town squares and with naming rights, especially when proposed mostly by people who wanted to shove Jim Crow down people's throats makes many people question your position.... this is not trump v. Biden or some political position on guns or immigration.
Confederates attacked U.S. soldiers and revolted against the U.S. government because one main reason was to maintain slavery. This is not a "thing" I get or dont get, it is history. It is also a fact that most statues were put up by groups with racist intents on maintaining Jim Crow.
I think many people here question whether you truly believe this shit or you are just trying to make ana rgument to attract attention. I have never met anyone who supported the Confederacy or having those traitors honored in a square unless they had personal support for the way things were back then.
So dont clutch your pearls when you declare Confeds should be honored and someone calls you out.
I call bullshit you even understand what people from Mississippi and Louisiana feel about the Confederacy and you are just basicing this on your little private interactions in Tampa. Several people here who have been to the real South can tell you the support for the confederacy is based on nothing more than deep seated racism and desire to praise ol Dixie. You need to get out more.
The United States and its allies defending itself against its enemies and terrorists is the norm and patriotism.
Ok, so you're calling the Indians allies, and the foreigners in this case "terrorists". That certainly an allowable opinion, but it doesn't make it fact.
McVeigh is a terrorist who attacked America,just as The Confederacy did.McVeigh is also a historical figure.
I never said - once - it was a Trump v. Biden thing at all. And I totally understand the position and acknowledge your (and those who think like you) right to believe that they are traitors and not want to honor them. I just don't agree with it. But I get it. I'm willing to understand your viewpoint completely. You're not actually willing to listen to mine at all.
While slavery was the central issue of the war, there were a whole lot of other things that led to conflict, and a lot of honorable men on both sides that thought they were doing the right thing. There were also monsters - on both sides. That's how it played out. And if the South had actually won, we'd be talking about history very differently (I'm glad they lost, by the way).
I don't support the Confederacy one bit. All I've stated is that I believe there is value to letting historical statues remain for history's sake, and that not wanting to tear them down doesn't make someone racist. That is literally the only things I have said.
Someone's certainly clutching pearls and emotional here. I just don't think its the person you think it is.
I really, and I mean this sincerely, don't care one iota what you call bullshit on or what you think, and you certainly have zero knowledge of my interactions, life or influences. So you really shouldn't pretend you do. In fact, you might be better putting me on ignore or not engaging with me, since you seem a bit emotionally ill-equipped to have a normal dialogue on these subjects without getting angry.
Just because McVeigh is mentioned in history as a criminal (like Dahmer) doesn't make him a "historical figure" in any other than a pedantic sense. But if you wish to be pedantic about it, knock yourself out.