'I haven't seen s**t like this before': Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot - rioters are 'f**ing lawless

I knew you were going to go there, unfortunately. When in doubt, bring the extreme Hitler reference up.

Sophia A. Nelson (and African-American) wrote this, which makes the point eloquently:

Although I agree with the powerful words and sentiments expressed by Mayor Landrieu of New Orleans last week about why he thinks Confederate statutes and symbols should come down, I do not think it reflects the great first amendment freedoms America was founded upon.

Let me be clear: I felt very differently about the Confederate flag because it was a waving symbol of hate, rebellion and division flying over modern day state capitols throughout the south. However, I am not opposed to people wearing the confederate flag on their hats or flying it in their yards. That’s called “free expression” and in America it is sacrosanct.

Just as we cannot tell people not to buy Nazi paraphernalia or collect it in their homes (no matter how abhorrent we may find it), we likewise cannot tell people they are not allowed to honor family members who fought for the confederacy or that their forbears could not raise monuments to southern heroes like Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson—both of whom were decorated and beloved West Point graduates and union officers before the south seceded from the union in rebellion.
No one is saying there should be a statue of some slave owner whipping his slaves and "let that stand".

The people who hated having black classmates at their school didn’t hate us because there were statues of Robert E. Lee or George Washington (our nation’s first President and a slave owner) on campus. It wasn’t because of a Gen. Stonewall Jackson monument VMI or downtown.

They didn’t like having black classmates because they had racist hearts. They honored racial prejudice. They harbored cultural bias. That, my friends, is what we must work toward eradicating.

And we won’t do it by hiding from our racist, slave owning, segregated past. If we start taking statues down, well, we better go for old Thomas Jefferson (master of a slave who was his mistress and mother of at least four of his children). And let’s not forget President Trump’s favorite president, Old Hickory—Andrew Jackson. Another slave-holding Indian-killing president of our nation. Get my point?


We do not learn when we run from our wrongs. We learn when we face them.
When we stop teaching about the failings of the Civil War, and the South - which we're apt to do because "its racist!" and when we no longer have the monuments honoring those that died in the war because "its triggering!" and when we remove the statues of the generals because "its offending!" we shouldn't be surprised when one day something like this happens all over again. Because we erased the errors from history.

So yeah, I don't agree with you at all.


It applies to not just Hitler but every enemy/terrorist that went to war against The US as that is what The Confederacy did.

Lets put up Bin Laden and Al Queda monuments as they attacked The US just as The Confederacy did and its history.The Confederacy killed far more Americans and US troops though.The Confederacys cause was far mor evil than Al Quedas as well.
 
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It applies to not just Hitler but every enemy/terrorist that went to war against The US as that is what The Confederacy did.

Lets put up Bin Laden and Al Queda monuments as they attacked The US just as The Confederacy did and its history.The Confederacy killed far more Americans and US troops though.The Confederacys cause was far evil than Al Quedas as well.

With the noted exception that the Confederacy was all Americans.
 
I used to live in New Orleans/Metairie.There is so much love for The Confederacy down there you'd think they were Gods.There are probably more streets named for Confederates than any other place.

Went by Tulane a few times in the past and there were Confederate Flags in the windows of a few dorms. I heard Tulane cracked down and you see it less and less. Takes a generation more to weed it out. In Virginia when you get out side of Richmond it was not unusual for me to see Confed flags on properties. I did not see who was in those houses but I assume it was older folk.
 
I support the keeping of statues because of the remembrance of history - not because I support the cause of slavery. You're equating the two as if they are the same, and I disagree with that assertion.


Museums is where you remember history.... statues in a square and their naming is a place of honor. With Jefferson and Washington we can remember what they contributed to this country with their slave owning pasts and give both their place in history but a Confed general is just someone who committed treason agaisnt the U.S. government to protect their plantation way of life. They dont belong in a plce of honor but are quite welcome in museums like in Gettysburg, Richmond and many other museums dedicated to the Civil War.
 
Museums is where you remember history.... statues in a square and their naming is a place of honor. With Jefferson and Washington we can remember what they contributed to this country with their slave owning pasts and give both their place in history but a Confed general is just someone who committed treason agaisnt the U.S. government to protect their plantation way of life. They dont belong in a plce of honor but are quite welcome in museums like in Gettysburg, Richmond and many other museums dedicated to the Civil War.

It should also be mentioned that the purpose of these Confederate statues in town squares -- mostly put up in the 1910s and 1920s -- was to intimidate black people and keep them suppressed.
 
With the noted exception that the Confederacy was all Americans.


Although denied The Confederacy did solicit help from foreign nations.So not only did The Confederacy kill more American troops than anyone else they were perfectly fine teaming up with foreign nations to do so.
 
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Although denied The Confederacy did solicit help from foreign nations.So not only did The Confederacy kill more American troops than anyone else they were perfectly fine teaming up with foreign nations to do so.

And the Union used Indians. So what?
 
Museums is where you remember history.... statues in a square and their naming is a place of honor. With Jefferson and Washington we can remember what they contributed to this country with their slave owning pasts and give both their place in history but a Confed general is just someone who committed treason agaisnt the U.S. government to protect their plantation way of life. They dont belong in a plce of honor but are quite welcome in museums like in Gettysburg, Richmond and many other museums dedicated to the Civil War.

Your opinion is valid. I just don't share it. And, more importantly, I don't agree that my difference of opinion makes me racist.
 
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