Heaven is a fairy tale, says physicist Hawking

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we accept the scientific world view because it answers the question we are faced with. science is the application of reason to questions.
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You guys argue but don't forget "repeatability" as proof.
 
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Pretty much what I tell my brother in law who's a minister of a small congregation of christians. "But they were primitive people" I try to tell him. Can't very well expect him to just drop everything and change his life. He tells me the Bible ought to be interpreted metaphorically which I still have problems with. His church does alot of good works around communities with feeding
down on their luck people who's kids died and houses burned down etc. Decent people to be sure so I'm not going to denigrate them for their beliefs. Those things can be done w/o the baggage and onto more progressive pursuits that add to civilization. Even w/o religion I doubt all of a sudden the population of Earth are going to become PHD's and rescue Africa from poverty and solve all our problems maybe at least not contribute to them.
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it may be true that some form of control is necessary for some people. maybe religion is the control mechanism that has evolved to best accomplish this. doesnt make it true tho.
 
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we accept the scientific world view because it answers the question we are faced with. science is the application of reason to questions.
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Clearly it is unable to answer all questions, meet all needs or, again, we would not be having this conversation.

Oh sure, you might choose scientism because it is more utilitarian than other worldviews, but you're still making a value-based, ie. emotionally-based choice.
 
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Science has a long history of solving mystery...
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That's certainly true enough. Of course they sometimes find out later what they considered to be fact was wrong all along too.

Not to even mention there are plenty of things science doesn't even know to begin with.
 
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You always try to convince us that the universe appears designed, yet nobody has refuted this fact. But the appearance of design does not mean the universe was designed by a creator. This is not evidence, despite the fact that you claim it to be. Appearances can be deceiving.
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They can also be probative... but they are still evidence.
 
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That's certainly true enough. Of course they sometimes find out later what they considered to be fact was wrong all along too.

Not to even mention there are plenty of things science doesn't even know to begin with.
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Things boil down to whatever might be wrong is inevitably only going to be found out by the scientific method, which doesn't merely rest on ideas of fanciful sky beasts.
It's the only way vast and practical knowledge and an understanding of the workings of the universe, has ever been able to be accomplished.

Religion depends entirely on not knowing, and does not essentially want to find out how much it is wrong.

Stephen Hawking is obviously right . It's nothing to do with saying God or a Creator doesn't exist, that's a pointless argument as much as any mythical claim is.
Thing is, the universe provides the knowledge and information that shows how a deity, a Creator, a God, is not required.
 
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They can also be probative... but they are still evidence.
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A cross-dressing male makes himself look like a woman. This man APPEARS to be a woman. This is not evidence that the man is in fact a woman. Appearance is not evidence.
 
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A cross-dressing male makes himself look like a woman. This man APPEARS to be a woman. This is not evidence that the man is in fact a woman. Appearance is not evidence.
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exactly. to the bible writers it appeared that when they prayed it rained. that was not evidence that a god made it rain.
 
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