Heaven is a fairy tale, says physicist Hawking

[Dragons Teeth]

Quote from Free Thinker:

yea, like gods who pop into existence. if a creator is required who created the creator?

Yeah a thought that reminds me of the beginning of each series of Monkey.

 

[stu]

Science is what you know. Religious belief is what you don't.

 

[omegapoint]

Religion always was about power. If it weren't for the military and religion the unemployment rate would triple.

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from jem:

Academics, particularly those with physics degrees don't have sloppy paragraphs when they are that important. If our universe did not appear designed --- Hawking and Susskind and others would say our universe does not appear designed and explain why.

You always try to convince us that the universe appears designed, yet nobody has refuted this fact. But the appearance of design does not mean the universe was designed by a creator. This is not evidence, despite the fact that you claim it to be. Appearances can be deceiving.

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from bone:

Hawking, like all humans, has made some mistakes in his profession - most notably the long standing paradox regarding information getting lost versus getting mangled within black holes. He was vehemently opposed to many other physicists about the nature of Black Holes, undertook a famous bet with an American physicist, and ultimately after many years Hawking finally conceded that he was wrong and completely reversed his position.

So, like the rest of humanity, Hawking is fallable.

The difference between a scientist like Hawking and a theologist is that Hawking is capable of admitting when he is wrong. As soon as new facts emerged, he changed his opinion. Religion has not changed opinion in thousands of years, despite a gargantuan amount of new facts.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Free Thinker:

yea, like gods who pop into existence. if a creator is required who created the creator?

You mean science doesn't allow for a creator from nothing but it supposedly allows for a universe from nothing?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Kassz007:

...Religion has not changed opinion in thousands of years, despite a gargantuan amount of new facts.

Actually, that's not true. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, and I'm no theologian, but the history of religion is full of change.

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

You mean science doesn't allow for a creator from nothing but it supposedly allows for a universe from nothing?

You mean a creator could come from nothing but a universe can't?

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from Lucrum:

You mean science doesn't allow for a creator from nothing but it supposedly allows for a universe from nothing?

No, science understands that ultimately its a mystery, its religion
thats so damned cocksure of how existence came about.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

You mean a creator could come from nothing but a universe can't?

One is no more or less plausible than the other.

Quote from omegapoint:

No, science understands that ultimately its a mystery, its religion
thats so damned cocksure of how existence came about.

Well I'm with science then. So how is it our esteemed ET atheists are so cocksure of themselves when according to you the very science they claim backs them up admits it's a mystery?