Has anyone noticed...

Quote from phenomena:

I did, you said you'd express your disgust if a visible minority was elected to PM in Canada and people expressed disdain for them. Expressing disdain and contempt for a Caucasian is fine, but if they are a minority they should be protected from criticism? Well, for better or for worse the thought police have not yet been established.
You did not read it properly. Remember the "real" American Palin rallies, where Obama was called a terrorist, the N-word, and someone shouted "Kill him!" They were distinguishing themselves as "real" Americans as compared to...Obama? You think they were expressing their views on the merits? Please don't take my earlier post out of context. Read it again if necessary. Why are you so quick to obfuscate? As I had noted, racism and bigotry exist everywhere. The way to root it out is to identify it in its tracks wherever it may be. How can you not acknowledge that racism is a lot more open now than it has been before Obama emerged and prevailed on the political stage? Even the dog-whistle stuff is rather thinly veiled. I'm just taken aback by the casual business-as-usual attitude that prevails in the face of such primitive behavior.
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Has anyone noticed how a lot of Americans are behaving like unruly schoolchildren with a substiture teacher? One they simply refuse to take seriously? Of course, I refer to the general disregard for the American Presidency. Cases in point include the"birthers." Then there is the Tea Party, which didn't exist during Bush's spending frenzy while cutting taxes for the rich. Where was the outcry on behalf of future generations then? And then there are the growingly flagrant "open carry" heroes. The list goes on.

I find it stunning that these so-called "Americans" essentially disregard Obama's presidency despite the fact that he was voted in decisively, and was not effectively appointed by the Supreme Court. Stunning. I do not recall any other president being so openly and generally tweaked, regardless of political party. I wonder why that is.

In other news, racism seems to be alive and well.

after a decade of "hate Bush", this..
 
Come on, you aren't being reasonable. You are acting like most disdain for BO is because he isn't white which is fucking absurd. The truth is that a myopic minority of his disdain is due to the fact that he isn't white. The fact is that he wouldn't have ever been elected if he WERE white. You are trying to stand reality on it's head here. The fact that he's black is why he was elected in the first place.

You further display your ignorance when constantly referencing Palin. Palin is a neocon in Libertarian drag, to borrow another users term.

Quote from Gabfly1:

You did not read it properly. Remember the "real" American Palin rallies, where Obama was called a terrorist, the N-word, and someone shouted "Kill him!" They were distinguishing themselves as "real" Americans as compared to...Obama? You think they were expressing their views on the merits? Please don't take my earlier post out of context. Read it again if necessary. Why are you so quick to obfuscate? As I had noted, racism and bigotry exist everywhere. The way to root it out is to identify it in its tracks wherever it may be. How can you not acknowledge that racism is a lot more open now than it has been before Obama emerged and prevailed on the political stage? Even the dog-whistle stuff is rather thinly veiled. I'm just taken aback by the casual business-as-usual attitude that prevails in the face of such primitive behavior.
 
Actually, where I live it is probably 60/40 ratio and people seem to get along reasonably well. Of course you will always have problems here and there. The media and selected leaders play this issue like a violin repeatedly stirring up discontent for less than honorable motive. The US has come a long way in the issue of fairness and civil rights and most folks are preoccupied with just keeping their jobs and surviving today.
 
Quote from Gabfly1:



Just that some Americans have taken it to a new level in their own country relative to the preceding couple of decades or so. I wonder why that might be...

You don't solve problems by ignoring them. They first need to be identified. Guys like Hello, HelloDollar, Lucrum, index piker, peil and several others don't "see" any such problem. Are you among them?

Taking it to a new level huh?

1)Govt is responsible for promoting racism.
Instead of the colorblind society MLK promoted we have a govt sanctioned and demanded identification of racial differences in nearly all information provided to the gubbermint on every aspect of our lives.
a) census , school, work, lending, etc etc
b) govt contracts, affirmative action,college admissions discrimination, even a movement to spread ownership of broadcasters based on race.


2) Now we have a cottage industry both private and public who's base of power is racially oriented.

Playing the race card is an effective extortion method of the race baiters jessie jackson, sharpton, wright etc.


Now (democrat) politicians and their political machines are using manufactured or trumped up incidents as an excuse to use racism charges as their primary political tool.

Basically democrats are addicted to the racism issue real or imagined and will foster it's divisiveness as a means to political power.
 
Quote from phenomena:

Come on, you aren't being reasonable. You are acting like most disdain for BO is because he isn't white which is fucking absurd. The truth is that a myopic minority of his disdain is due to the fact that he isn't white. The fact is that he wouldn't have ever been elected if he WERE white. You are trying to stand reality on it's head here. The fact that he's black is why he was elected in the first place.

You further display your ignorance when constantly referencing Palin. Palin is a neocon in Libertarian drag, to borrow another users term.
You're obfuscating again. Yes, the majority voted for Obama. I do not refer to them.

I do not even refer to those people who did not vote for Obama because of his political goals and principles. I may disagree with those people, however, I do not refer to them.

Rather, I refer to ALL of the remaining birthers. Every last one.

I refer to most of the Tea Partyers. Where were they when Bush was mortgaging their children's future with a voluntary war (Iraq) and simultaneous tax cuts for the rich? It's outright hypocrisy on the part of those Tea Partyers who are Republican and who praised Bush. And whenever I encounter hypocrisy, my spidey senses start tingling.

I refer to the surge in "open carry" heroes, who are essentially thumbing their noses at every thinking person. Where were they in such numbers when pro-gun Bush was at the helm? Why now? I think we both know why. If memory serves, they weren't as vocal during the Clinton years.

Despite my low opinion of her, I refer to Palin because she is the Tea Party's cupcake. And I once again refer you to those earlier hate-filled Palin rallies. Very little has changed. Fred can put on a different hat, but he's still Fred.
 
Quote from Index piker:

...Playing the race card is an effective extortion method of the race baiters jessie jackson, sharpton, wright etc...
Guys like them exist because guys like you exist.
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Has anyone noticed how a lot of Americans are behaving like unruly schoolchildren with a substiture teacher? One they simply refuse to take seriously? Of course, I refer to the general disregard for the American Presidency. Cases in point include the"birthers." Then there is the Tea Party, which didn't exist during Bush's spending frenzy while cutting taxes for the rich. Where was the outcry on behalf of future generations then? And then there are the growingly flagrant "open carry" heroes. The list goes on.

I find it stunning that these so-called "Americans" essentially disregard Obama's presidency despite the fact that he was voted in decisively, and was not effectively appointed by the Supreme Court. Stunning. I do not recall any other president being so openly and generally tweaked, regardless of political party. I wonder why that is.

In other news, racism seems to be alive and well.
+1

And it's not the least bit surprising that Lucrum and his ilk would call for censorship of your posts. Once again, I never see them call for censorship of non-American conservatives. Which tells me two things: they wallow in hypocrisy, and they can't handle the truth.

Quote from Ivanovich:

Perhaps, but this is no different than all the Bush haters during the last President's term. All those "he's not OUR President" comments and the articles on how 50M people can be so dumb as to vote him in twice, etc.

No different than now.
Yes it is. Mainstream opposers to Bush were calling for his impeachment. Opposers to Obama, until recently, were hinting at assassination; even some commentators on TV like Glenn Beck were hinting at armed rebellion. Go ahead, show the "same thing" during the Bush years. Good luck.

Quote from RCG Trader:

Nixon-disgraced the Presidency.
Carter-ruined the Nation.
Reagan-destroyed the poor with Reaganomics.
Bush I--did not finish the job in Iraq
Clinton--blow job in the oval office
Bush II--well, you name it, he did it.
Obama--?? Whatever it is to about half the nation he will suck.

This President will do no worse than the last..........
"Nixon-disgraced the Presidency." Very true.

"Carter-ruined the Nation." How? He screwed up on Iran; that hardly "ruined" the USA.

"Reagan-destroyed the poor with Reaganomics." No, he destroyed the middle class and increased the poor.

"Bush I--did not finish the job in Iraq" Among other things (like doubling the debt, going back on his no-new-taxes pledge, etc.)

"Clinton--blow job in the oval office" Yeah this is the worst thing that can be said about Clinton from the right. Oh lordy lordy. Clinton was a damn fine Republican president. Too bad he couldn't act like a damn fine Democratic president.

"Bush II--well, you name it, he did it." If by "it" you mean "something awful", I couldn't agree more.

"This President will do no worse than the last." That's a given. Even my dog could do a better job than Bush/Cheney. For starters, my dog doesn't start unnecessary wars.

Quote from RCG Trader:

It is less flawed than any other. So it is absolutely a plus for the USA.
Ignorance is bliss. You know almost nothing about other democratic countries yet you automatically assume that their electoral systems are substandard to the USA.

Fact: our Electoral College is an absolute abomination. It bears approximately the same relationship to a truly democratically elected President that Frankenstein's monster bears to an actual human being. All you have to do is look at 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote outright (ala Obama) but did not become the President.

Quote from Ivanovich:

But you're blaming the challenge of legitimacy on racism? If he were white, but had family ties born in France and was named President Pierre La Rogue, you don't think people who hated him would question the legitimacy? Especially if President Pierre refused to show a birth certificate?
Quote from Ivanovich:

I'm not a birther. I don't think there's any legitimate argument regarding Obama's being born in the US. My point was, and you'd get this if you weren't always so combative, that if a French named man with the aforementioned credentials (or lack of them) was named President , the SAME issues would be present.
Trying to have it both ways? If you are not a birther then why bring up an analogy where some hypothetical French candidate "refused to show a birth certificate?"

Obama has shown his birth certificate. Repeatedly. So your analogy completely falls apart. Or were you trying to have it both ways (plant the idea that Obama's birth is suspect, but don't call you a birther for saying so)?
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

1)You're obfuscating again. Yes, the majority voted for Obama. I do not refer to them.

I do not even refer to those people who did not vote for him because of his political goals and principles. I may disagree with them, however, I do not refer to them.

Rather, I refer to ALL of the remaining birthers. Every last one.

I refer to most of the Tea Partyers. Where were they when Bush was mortgaging their children's future with a voluntary war (Iraq) and simultaneous tax cuts for the rich? It's outright hypocrisy on the part of those Tea Partyers who are Republican and who praised Bush. And whenever I encounter hypocrisy, my 2) spidey senses start tingling.

3)I refer to the surge in "open carry" heroes, who are essentially thumbing their noses at every thinking person. Where were they in such numbers when pro-gun Bush was at the helm? Why now? I think we both know why. If memory serves, they weren't as vocal during the Clinton years.

1) Are you equally disgusted by those that voted for o just because he had the right skin tone?


2) Your spidey senses are more likely either DM or heavy metal poisoning. Bush had lots of criticism from conservative pundits and public sentiment.


3) Why would supporters of the 2nd amendment demonstrate an administration viewed as pro 2nd amendment? Evidently common sense eludes your grasp and confuses you.
 
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