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Izzy... anyone here at ET that has ever followed any of your threads or read any of your posts knows that you are as stubborn as a friggin blind mule, that's what makes you somewhat enjoyable in an odd sort of way I guess, but you need to listen up when someone knows what they're talking about and is trying to help you score better.
First of all, the quoted statement above lacks logic, is not well written, and it goes to show that you are completely missing the bigger picture here.
140 yards, 175 yards... matters not. What matters is you have two fake hips, an advanced age, and a beginner's level of experience. Focusing on distance, while very important for someone in their teens or twenties once they have mastered accuracy, is a fatal flaw for you all things considered.
You are 100% correct about hitting the ball straight. You got that part right. Its extremely important in that the only thing you need to worry about with your driver is hitting the fairway and keeping it there. Ditto for your second shot, and obviously your third on a par 5. Period.
Assuming you can do that... which I suspect is a big assumption at this point but either way... your skill level from there is what will determine if you'll ever consistently break 85. Your goal should be a best ever 78 on a reasonable course.
The only way you'll ever do that is with a consistent ability to aggressively shoot for the pin... and that entails stopping the ball on the green with backspin. Ball control with the 6 iron on up. Hence what I wrote earlier. This is the skill you can still practice and master... fake hips and all. Your proficiency in this is 100 times more important than any extra 20 or 30 yards off the tee will ever be.
Once you can do this with ease, it follows that consistently two putting becomes exponentially easier when you have stuck the ball within 20 feet of the cup. It is at this point where you'll go from a bogey golf 90 down to an 85 or less on a good day. Up and down in two for a par on a few holes. Throw in a couple lucky par 3's.... and bingo bango bongo, you shot an 81.
Its a great game Izzy and no matter what, the fact you're out there moving around, staying active, and enjoying the outdoors... that's all that matters anyway. So good on ya B1.
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I'm not following all this back and forth too closely, but it does seem to me you guys are saying essentially the same thing. For a hack, avoiding big trouble is the key to scoring. Off the tee, short grass is nice but you have to see where the big trouble is and avoid it. The cardinal rule if you are in trouble is to get back on the fairway with your next shot. Trying for the hero shot is what leads to sevens and eights.
Accepting that you need to lay up is important as well. I see hacks that are 220 out and reach for their 3 wood automatically. First off, they didn't hit their teed up driver that far, so what are the chances they reach with a wood off the deck? It's one of the hardest shots to control, so the chances of being waaay off line are good. The smart player pulls a seven iron and leaves himself with an easy wedge to the pin. Worst case, he's taking bogey. Do that for 18 holes and you shoot an easy 90.
I see hacks give away a ton of shots around the green. Chipping and bunker play are equal parts technique and controlling your nerves. I play a lot on courses in florida where there is little greenside rough and you can putt balls that are quite a ways off the green. That's usually the ticket, as your worst putt is probably going to be better than your worst chip.
I see so many people miss putt after putt on the low side. There's a reason pros call that the amateur side. If you miss on the low side, the ball is moving away from the hole, leaving you a longer cleanup putt. if you miss high side, it's heading toward the hole, often leaving a tap in. Always read the line from the low side of the hole. Pace is generally far more important than line.
Don't ever bet with a guy with a good tan and a bag of crappy looking old clubs.
No----the extra 20 to 30 yds will allow me to use different clubs that I can spin better and get on the green. Greens in regulation is what the amateur needs to focus on and it starts with the drive.
Dude... that makes absolutely no sense at all. You just totally contradicted yourself.
If you are using "different clubs that you can spin better".... that means you're not on the green in regulation already you chucklehead. I mean unless you are playing some municipal pitch and putt built on a former superfund site or something.... you are NOT going to hit greens on any decent course in regulation with a well controlled strategically placed shot. It ain't happenin'. And if you don't have the ability to make a six iron and above roll backwards when it hits the green, or pretty damn close in the middle of a hot dry summer.... dude... you are NEVER going to do that with any longer club. I mean... who are you trying to bullshit here Izzy? Cause you're not bullshitting me. I was playing at your level by the time I was in 6th or 7th grade and I've played with literally 1000's of different players in the years I played. On everything from 1 or 2 current PGA tour courses to municipal cowpastures and everything in between.
"Different clubs I can spin better and get on the green".
That is so f'ing laughable. What would those be, your 4 wood or your 3 iron after you drive the center of the fairway 275 yards?
The only green you are ever going to hit in regulation on a decent golf course is a par three... and that's if you're lucky.
You are so FOS B1.
I was just going thru this thread reading the old posts since its a couple years old...
This one jumped out at me and needs addressed...
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Hey Tiger... that's great... but how the f are you going to put controlled backspin on a ball when chipping with your hands forward of the ball or the ball way back in your stance?
Thats a punch and roll... and unless you are on the fringe (in which case you would do better to use your putter 70% of the time as AAA pointed out) or you are positioned on a rise that's well above the hole with a downward sloping green.... the only thing that this is good for is exactly what you said... more than likely you won't skull it.
When you do as you described... you have no idea as to how far the roll will be when the ball lands because when you pinch the ball like that 9 times out of 10 the club-head will take an ever so slight but unpredictable amount of turf with it which results in an unpredictable trajectory. An unpredictable trajectory means... an unpredictable roll. Its basically relying on luck. Great advice if your only goal is to not skull the ball... its rookie advice for anyone that needs to be aggressive on their approach shot and put the ball, controlled, close enough for a one putt on the next shot. If you want to score well B1, you need to be aggressive but well controlled... not just hitting a shot willy-nilly and calling it good technique because its not a worm-burner or it goes far.
You have sooo far to go B1, and its funny because you think you know everything and you are too damn granite-skulled to realize you don't know anything.
But whatever... go work on that driver some more.
This one jumped out at me and needs addressed...
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Omg...
Hey Tiger... that's great... but how the f are you going to put controlled backspin on a ball when chipping with your hands forward of the ball or the ball way back in your stance?
Thats a punch and roll... and unless you are on the fringe (in which case you would do better to use your putter 70% of the time as AAA pointed out) or you are positioned on a rise that's well above the hole with a downward sloping green.... the only thing that this is good for is exactly what you said... more than likely you won't skull it.
When you do as you described... you have no idea as to how far the roll will be when the ball lands because when you pinch the ball like that 9 times out of 10 the club-head will take an ever so slight but unpredictable amount of turf with it which results in an unpredictable trajectory. An unpredictable trajectory means... an unpredictable roll. Its basically relying on luck. Great advice if your only goal is to not skull the ball... its rookie advice for anyone that needs to be aggressive on their approach shot and put the ball, controlled, close enough for a one putt on the next shot. If you want to score well B1, you need to be aggressive but well controlled... not just hitting a shot willy-nilly and calling it good technique because its not a worm-burner or it goes far.
You have sooo far to go B1, and its funny because you think you know everything and you are too damn granite-skulled to realize you don't know anything.
But whatever... go work on that driver some more.
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Looking back on my stats that I keep on my phone app, I show an average putts per hole of 1.7 which equates to 31 putts per round so those numbers are great. ---Amateurs can 2 putt easily and even if they 3 putt, by hitting GIR they would play bogey golf. --Looking also at my stats, I see that my Greens in Regulation number is 21.4 percent. ---Basically what that means is that I am htting the par 3's in regulation but not the others. ----The most important shots in golf for the amateur are the tee shot and the second shot. A great straight long drive that puts you in the range of an 8,9, wedge from the green is what amateurs need to focus on. --This the main difference between amateurs and pros------ie the ability to hit the drive long and in the fairway.
Good posting.