God and Science

Quote from jem:

No - I am somewhere between a Protestant and a Catholic. I figure if I am going to believe then I should believe what the bible says Jesus said.

So I go to communion believing and acting what Jesus taught in John 6:50 and on.

However, I choose to believe, I in no way expect others to believe absent my presenting them proof. I do not currently have proof that Jesus is God or that the God of the Abraham Isaac and Moses is the Creator. I have faith not proof and unlike many of the atheists here I know and understand the difference.

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But, I do think there is a good legitimate scientific argument that there may be a creator. We do not have proof -- but the AP argument and arguments in Biology and other fields are starting to support the idea of a Creator more and more.

I find it funny that et Atheists refuse to read the science.

For more about the anthropic principle I can refer you to Nobel prize winners and founders of string theory.

Again - I am not not saying their statements are proof but they are saying that there is evidence to say the universe appears designed.
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I find it funny that some theists denigrate science until it seems to "confirm" their Creator theory. There's nothing evidential about the anthropic principle. It has no more substance than the theory about parallel universes.

"The anthropic principle is based on the implicit assumption that life must operate on similar chemistry to our own, which has been criticized for being overly restrictive (sometimes called carbon chauvinism). If the weakest precondition for generic life is simply a sufficiently complex environment to allow reproduction and evolution, then any universe which could provide such complexity (in one form or another) could bring forth life.

"The term anthropic in "anthropic principle" has been argued to be a misnomer. While singling out our kind of carbon-based life, none of the coincidences require human life or demand that carbon-based life develop intelligence."
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Oh well, since you are a dummy, here is a primer on the history of cosmology for dummies...

http://www.gap-system.org/~history/HistTopics/Cosmology.html

...like modern dummies they also thought they had it figured out.
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What kind of buffoon thinks that supports his claim that "Scientific consensus has a history of being wrong when scientific consensus is that they have it all figured out"?

Oh yeah: YOU. Circular777

LMAO!

Find one quote saying "we scientists have everything figured out."

You are stupid squared. Too funny. XD
 
"And 'Yes': as a child I did ask why, why, why"

...and you were qualified to understand the answers?

So what would make you think you are now qualified to understand the answers of a creator of the Universe?

Don't you think there might just be as much if not more of a gap of understanding between you and a creator of the Universe as there was when you were a child and you asked questions of adults?

Quote from RangeBar:

I have no "faith"...in anything. I demand a logical explanation based on evidence. I understand that this 'logical explanation' is based on evidence KNOWN AT THE CURRENT TIME and I am perfectly willingly to CHANGE MY UNDERSTANDING if/when new evidence is submitted.

And 'Yes': as a child I did ask why, why, why: I continue to do this today and I will do it tomorrow.

I don't 'think' I can understand the Creator of the universe because there is no 'Creator' of the universe. And there is no plan. And 'everything does NOT happen for a reason'. And 'what goes around does not come around'. And the 'bad people' are not going to be punished for their actions and the 'good' people are not going to be rewarded. People in your life that have died are not 'watching' you now. There is no Creator keeping score of whether you are naughty or nice. (However, I suggest that you be GOOD for goodness sake as your transgressions will haunt you if you have a conscious.)

So SMILE . . . there is no hell.
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Those who do not differentiate between real people and imaginary friends which created the universe , might well be short of a few qualifications.

Quote from OPTIONAL777:"And 'Yes': as a child I did ask why, why, why"

...and you were qualified to understand the answers?

So what would make you think you are now qualified to understand the answers of a creator of the Universe?

Don't you think there might just be as much if not more of a gap of understanding between you and a creator of the Universe as there was when you were a child and you asked questions of adults?
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Those who do not understand the differentiation between actual and hypothetical questions are more than short of a few qualifications...

Quote from stu:

Those who do not differentiate between real people and imaginary friends which created the universe , might well be short of a few qualifications.
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Quote from killthesunshine:

holy sh^t, we got three god threads going on simultaneously.

please, someone start a another! LOL :p
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Yep, and the same thumper started two of them, in knee-jerk reaction to the first one. LOL
 
Quote from stu:

Those who do not differentiate between real people and imaginary friends which created the universe , might well be short of a few qualifications.
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You have an imaginary theory of how the universe was created. Never seen it, but it seems to have become a real friendly theory to you.

And then there's that imaginary theory of how inorganic matter came to life all by itself. Again, never seen it, but you folks seem to have made a real friend of it, too.

How about your imaginary evolutionary tree? No fossil records to back it up, but you wouldn't let that come between you and your friends, would you?

And just like the climate scientists, the evolution proponents make sure that only <b>very carefully chosen proponents</b> of the evolution theory, the kind of scientists who <i>aren't very skeptical</i>, lol, get to publish.

We could just replace the climate gate scandal with evolution and there really wouldn't be any difference....me thinks.
 
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