God and Science

Quote from kut2k2:

I find it funny that some theists denigrate science until it seems to "confirm" their Creator theory. There's nothing evidential about the anthropic principle. It has no more substance than the theory about parallel universes.

"The anthropic principle is based on the implicit assumption that life must operate on similar chemistry to our own, which has been criticized for being overly restrictive (sometimes called carbon chauvinism). If the weakest precondition for generic life is simply a sufficiently complex environment to allow reproduction and evolution, then any universe which could provide such complexity (in one form or another) could bring forth life.

"The term anthropic in "anthropic principle" has been argued to be a misnomer. While singling out our kind of carbon-based life, none of the coincidences require human life or demand that carbon-based life develop intelligence."
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I suspect the large majority of believers with college degrees do not denigrate science. We are the ones who wait and examine the evidence.


I realize you have been exposed to the AP argument thats all I really care about.
 
>" For example, on Earth, why would life >develop and then get almost >completely wiped out 5 times? Was the >"Creator" simply experimenting until >He/She/It 'got it right? Why have a >collision between Earth and another >planet to create the moon: why not >'just create them'? The answer is >simple: THERE IS NO PLAN and there is >NO PLANNER."

If mankind gets wiped out for the sixth time is it god's doing or men's own suicide? Obviously god is not acting, doing anything. God is not a she or He - god is IT. We have free will, we have the Law of Karma and evolution. Anyone who thinks there is nothing or there is a personal god/jesus are fooling themselves and have serious logical problems with both theories.
The Buddhist transcendental god makes the only sense. Scientifically and phiosophically both other theories have huge gaps and flaws including the idiotic "the Universe just exists" statement....
 
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Save me from this prison
Lord, help me get away
'Cause only you can save me now
From this misery :D

Well I've been lost in my own place
And I'm getting' weary
How far is heaven?
And I know that I need to change
My ways of living
How far is heaven?
Lord, can you tell me?

I've been locked up way too long
In this crazy world
How far is heaven?
I just keep on prayin', Lord
I just keep on livin'
How far is heaven?
(Oh, Lord, can you tell me?)
How far is heaven?
(I just gotta know how far it is)
How far is heaven?
(Oh, Lord, can you tell me?)

Tu que estas en alto cielo, hechame tu bendicion.

'Cause I know there's a better place
In this place I'm livin'
How far is heaven?
So I just got to show some faith
And just keep on givin'
How far is heaven?
(Oh, Lord can you tell me)
How far is heaven?
(I just gotta know how far it is)
How far is heaven?
(Oh, Lord, can you tell me?)
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how far is heaven? :p
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

they may not denigrate science, they disregard it. what are you waiting on :D

how can ANY evidence refute omnipotence?
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i realize you put a similey face on -- but you made my point.

atheists pretend they have a reasoned opinion based on science.

Of course when you ask them for scientific support for their position they get all irrational.
 
Quote from jem:

i realize you put a similey face on -- but you made my point.

atheists pretend they have a reasoned opinion based on science.

Of course when you ask them for scientific support for their position they get all irrational.
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dude..

it is YOU that makes the assertion.

atheists are merely trying to prove you right..

they wish to god they can prove you right..

but alas.. after many many failed attempts

it is all up to you

to prove your own assertions you iditot :D
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

dude..

it is YOU that makes the assertion.

atheists are merely trying to prove you right..

they wish to god they can prove you right..

but alas.. after many many failed attempts

it is all up to you

to prove your own assertions you iditot :D
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"dude" you were the one who just said I disregard science after I just told someone else I know the difference between faith and science

this was your quote -


"they may not denigrate science, they disregard it. what are you waiting on

how can ANY evidence refute omnipotence?"

if it struck me like the typical et atheist quote you can see why.

I wonder if you think you are a crazy atheist or a rational agnostic.
 
I've long appreciated how Alan Watts described the difference between belief and faith. He said that belief derives from the old root "lief", ie. to want, or to wish. No one, he says, goes around calling "the sun will rise tomorrow! the sun will rise tomorrow!" because everyone KNOWS it's going to rise tomorrow--that's true faith.
 
One of the greatest and most misunderstood word is belief.

Lief essentially means willingly...

Be means to exist (not on a purely imaginary basis but on a reality basis.)

So true belief is to willingly exist in the object one believes in.

This is why so many Christians are confused, because they don't truly understand what Christ was saying.

To paraphrase (simply because the Bible has been translated so many times as to make the spiritual meaning vanish) Jesus, Jesus said:

"Whosoever believes in me shall have eternal life."

Most people just think that if they hold the idea of Jesus, then they are practicing faith.

Jesus said faith could move mountains, and who is moving mountains?

Why? They have only a surface value of belief, a parrot belief, not an abiding belief.

Who actually abides in Jesus?

The Christians who act like the heathens?

No, I think Jesus was saying whoever surrenders (willingly exists) in "me" (Jesus state of mind, which was established in eternal life) shall also have eternal life.

Whoever willingly surrenders to someone who has a mind established in eternal life, fully surrenders, their mind is changed into the same quality of mind of the person they have surrendered to.

Whoever surrenders to anyone who has a mind that is Divine, willingly surrenders 100% to such a personality then becomes of Divine mind themselves.

Quite a difference between holding an idea that God exists and that Jesus is going to forgive sins, and actually surrendering their mind, ego, will, and identity to merge with the mind of a Divine personality...

Belief can be as deep as the surface, and it can go all the way to eternal life...

Depends on what someone is willing to sacrifice in the willingly existing process...

By the way I am not a Christian...


Quote from Ricter:

I've long appreciated how Alan Watts described the difference between belief and faith. He said that belief derives from the old root "lief", ie. to want, or to wish. No one, he says, goes around calling "the sun will rise tomorrow! the sun will rise tomorrow!" because everyone KNOWS it's going to rise tomorrow--that's true faith.
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