I said that "urges come when people see or some other way experience whatever it is they desire". Meaning it's enough for straight guys to see woman, to desire them and start thinking about them. Same goes for homosexuals, but with boys.Quote from peilthetraveler:
]Think about what you just said for a second....Now...Tell me that we should be accepting of homosexual lifestyles and making sure its out in the open for all our children to see.
This means that if you want to be completely certain your kids doesn't become homosexual, you'd have to isolate them from other boys entirely, you would have to bring them up in an all-girls environment.
Let's be reasonable, there's tons of far more convenient professions for preying on children. School teacher, children hospital nurse, social worker for orphans, etc. Becoming a priest to simply rape children is unrealistic, it's far too much irrelevant work for such an intention.So you admit that homosexuals are deceitful infiltrators of the catholic church just so they can rape children, right?
I've already provided an explanation for pedophile priests. Some of them might be gays who, as soon as they realize they are gay and can never live like normal people (typically while their 10-12), decide to live in celibacy. For a good christian man who either way has to live in celibacy, becoming a priest is just perfect, familty will be proud, etc. What they don't expect though is that an undeveloped sexuality will take them over and force them to commit horrible actions.
Sorry, English is not my first language and I might not express myself as clearly as I'd wish. What I'm saying is - and I suspect you'll see that this is what I'm saying if you read my last post once more - is that there's two types of people who become gay in prisons. One type lowers their standards. They are normal heterosexual people who have so little contact with real females that their need for sex become so powerful they'll take anything that resembles females. That's most people who commit rapes and such in prisons. This is also the type of homosexuality described in the bible.So people lower their standards, or they are closet gays...which is it? In one breath you just said they choose to be gay and the next they dont.
The other kind of people who become gay in prisons, and these are a minority amongst prison gays, are those who take it all out, they get a real boyfriend in prison, they fall in love, some even become crossdressers. These people are closet gays, closet bisexuals or even transsexuals who have suppressed their real orientation on the outside, only to embrace their true sexual identity in an environment that allows them to do so.
On the contrary, I have provided you with references to researchers who have found physical, biological evidence for differences in the brains of gay people compared with straight people. If you wish, I can give you the research papers that proves these differences. Some of them indicate that differences appear already while people are in their mothers wombs. That is scientific evidence against your theory. It's not scientific evidence for the claim that homosexuality is 100% genetic, but it is evidence that suggest that homosexuality is 100% involuntarily. Of course, the scientific methods might be flawed, etc., but as long as nobody can point out whatever errors might be, simply ignoring this research is plain, wilful ignorance.No scientific evidence against it either. So you also reason with your estabilished beliefs.
You're exactly like these atheists. The only difference is that you've traded whatever scientists say for whatever the bible says. You're wrong about me, I've had countless of debates with strong atheists, arguing these exact points.In fact there are many things that I bet you believe that have no scientific evidence. Dark matter, exotic matter, the big bang, ect. Its really funny that science can come up with some crazy theories and NOTHING is off the table when it comes to science as long as it doesnt have anything to do with God. But thats another thread...
As far as homosexuality goes, even though there's strong scientific (and logical) evidence that they're born homosexuals, nobody can be 100% sure. But we can be more than 50% sure, and that's enough not to force them to be miserable or discriminate against them.
This is pure communist ramblings. First of all, it is not correct that if something is not beneficial to society it must hurt it, certain things might be neutral. If gay people carry their weight, pay their taxes and provide enough for their society, they're not destructive.I will leave you with one comment for those of you that think homosexuality is ok. If something does not benefit our society it must hurt it, correct? So what does homosexuality do to benefit us as a society? Do they produce offspring that can take care of them in their old age? No. That means when they are old, YOU will have to take care of them. Do they bring us together as a society? No. They cause us to fight among ourselves about their morality. Do they bring peace to others? No. They only bring peace to themselves. They do not care about society first...they care about themselves first and shaping society to fit THEIR worldview. If I poll 100 people who say they are 100% NEUTRAL to homosexuality, then I asked them if they want their children to be straight or gay(no saying they dont care...has to be a definitive answer), then 50 should say straight and 50 should say gay. Now...do you think that would ever happen? I do not know a single soul on earth that has ever said they hope they have a homosexual child. I have heard some say they wouldnt mind, but there is a big difference between not minding and wanting.
And second, if a society perceives gays as something horrible even though they don't hurt anyone, it is that society's problem and not the homosexuals. I do not wish for homosexual children, but I do not wish for children with downs syndrome either. If I did have children who where born either of those, I'd be dead before I'd take any society's side against my own children. You on the other hand, would probably disown your own child, to protect your honor and reputation in your society. That makes you a collectivist, brain dead societal lackey. I assure you, Jesus would not love you.
I don't appreciate any answer that is based on something somebody said, whether it be God or anybody else. If by logic you mean marxist mumbo jumbo, then no, that is not logic that is acceptable to me. I don't only not accept this sort of logic, I condemn it.I hope you appreciate that I didnt use God or the bible in answering your questions. Believe me, I would love to just utter the 4 simple words "because God said so" as i know it makes you atheists crazyI hope with my final comment i answered "why God said so" with logic that is acceptable to you.
For once I agree. Debating this with you is like debating with communist atheists. It's the same type of idealistic, wilful ignorant collectivist ramblings. Good luck with your bisexuality, and I hope to God your children aren't anything your society disapprove of, because we know now, they'd be left all by themselves.Now...lets let this thread die. [/B]
I hope with my final comment i answered "why God said so" with logic that is acceptable to you.