For my Christians Friends

Quote from traderNik:

Nothing at all like picking a scientific theory, because once you've followed your instinct and formulated a theory, you then go about testing it. Rigorously. You often try to disprove it. That's the essence of the method. Faith is not enough. You can have all the faith in the world that your theory is correct, but if you don't test it, no one will care and it will be useless in the real world. You have to have evidence that your theory is correct.

In your case, you pick your theory (and an outlandish one at that)... then you sit back and have a smoke. You sit back and have a smoke because it's impossible to test your theory. It is not disprovable. Theists say 'I followed my instinct, I picked a theory... and that's it. That's good enough for me. I have faith that it's right'.

Thank God airplane designers don't follow the same procedure, eh?



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Kind of like testing it with criteria that the tester makes up eh ?

Such as there were 9 planets for years and then one day, oh we were wrong, we changed our minds on definition of a planet so now there are only 8. What about the other so called planets that science said existed ? , and then they changed their criteria once again to what they want them to be. Who knows in a 1000 more years, science will say we were wrong, there are no planets only asteroids. Keep on using that scientific FAITH to BELIEVE what others tell you. Makes you no different from a believer in God.
 
Quote from Turok:

So in other words, your "opportunity cost" presentation was all just BS.

JB
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I know what my opportunity cost is. What is yours ?
I already have all the treasure I need on earth, you say it is because of either luck or hard work. I'll chalk it up to believing in myself and having God as my backer. The most important things in life are those that are obtained freely. The love of others and the love of God. Thread closed.
 
>Who knows in a 1000 mores years, science
>will say we were wrong, there are no planets
>only asteroids.

Perhaps. For those that care about truth, that's the beauty of science -- it continues to find it's errors and correct them based on current knowledge. Religion on the other hand *claims* to always be right, have always been right and will always be right -- all the while changing without admitting it.

>Keep on using that scientific FAITH to BELIEVE
>what others tell you. Makes you no different
>from a believer in God.

Do you want to see the difference with your own eyes?

Let's take the commonly accepted tests for a "planet". Rather than believe what "others tell us", let's you and I *together* run a series of test to see if they meet said definition. We won't believe a word from anyone else, we'll educate ourselves and test them ourselves. This can be done rather inexpensively.

Now, let's take the commonly accepted test for "god". Oh wait -- THERE ARE NONE! (well actually, some of y'all say there are but then when, like the planet tests, we try them *together* he fails them every time).

JB
 
Quote from Turok:

>Who knows in a 1000 mores years, science
>will say we were wrong, there are no planets
>only asteroids.

Perhaps. For those that care about truth, that's the beauty of science -- it continues to find it's errors and correct them based on current knowledge. Religion on the other hand *claims* to always be right, have always been right and will always be right -- all the while changing without admitting it.

>Keep on using that scientific FAITH to BELIEVE
>what others tell you. Makes you no different
>from a believer in God.

Do you want to see the difference with your own eyes?

Let's take the commonly accepted tests for a "planet". Rather than believe what "others tell us", let's you and I *together* run a series of test to see if they meet said definition. We won't believe a word from anyone else, we'll educate ourselves and test them ourselves. This can be done rather inexpensively.

Now, let's take the commonly accepted test for "god". Oh wait -- THERE ARE NONE! (well actually, some of y'all say there are but then when, like the planet tests, we try them *together* he fails them every time).

JB
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And who makes up the tests for planets ? Now you are gonna tell me we can fly to Neptune nearly 3 bilion miles away to test it ? Sounds about as plausible as noah's ark. The problem with science is the rules are curve fitted. The minority voted to change the criteria of a planet and now presto it is not one. What about the 95% who were not there to vote ? So what we have is a small group writing down criteria and now they tell the other majority to follow what they wrote. If that does not sound like religion then I don't know what does.
 
V00:
>I know what my opportunity cost is.
>What is yours ?

Since you haven't dug every claim, you *can't possibly* know what your lost opportunity costs are. All you know is hubris.

>I already have all the treasure I need on earth,

I'm happy for you, but that is an arbitrary position which goes against your entire "opportunity cost" theory. You have NO IDEA what more "treasure" (remember, treasure is metaphorical here) would do for you -- it could change your life in ways you never imagined.

>I'll chalk it up to believing in myself and having God
as my backer.

Actually, you've just given up -- you've arbitrarily decided that you don't want to *even know* what's beneath the ground at the other claims. "Quite an opportunity cost in your book".

>The most important things in life are those that
>are obtained freely. The love of others ...

In that narrow context, we agree totally.

> ... and the love of God.

Unfortunately for you, you can't be sure you dug in the right mine shaft -- you simply found a hole that was comfortable for you and sat down.

>Thread closed.

Even your version of god can't do that -- only the mods/admins.

JB
 
Quote from Turok:

You have NO IDEA what more "treasure" (remember, treasure is metaphorical here) would do for you -- it could change your life in ways you never imagined.
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And so could God.
 
Quote from Joab:

Niether vhen nor I personally knew Albert Einstein and his interpretations of his words are no more valid then mine.

As a fan of the Einstein and his writings I see totally different contexts then vhen's arguments.

As far as your proclamations on my health, your wrong AGAIN ... I got very ill before I found God, living the miserable empty life that you now enjoy. It wasn't till I found God that everything turned around for me and I do mean EVERYTHING.... :cool:

Before God I had Women, Money and even a little fame, I had the ultimate secular life, the one that most men only dream of. I owned strip joints, lived in Las Vegas, drove every car you could imagine, screwed starlets like they were giving it away and had some pretty famous friends.

Now I have GOD and Jesus Christ and HE makes my old life look like a circus of foolish emptiness.

I am soooooo much happier now and have my health, a thriving trading career a fantastic woman and family.

I am blessed beyond my wildest dreams with Love, Peace and Happiness.

Can you top that ?
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Interesting story on what your opportunity cost of living in the dark was. Curious on how you found something that others on here say does not exist ?
 
VOO:
>And who makes up the tests for planets ?

We can used "commonly accepted" definition (as I proposed), or you and I can create and agree our own -- it makes no difference to me. It's the point that we *can test* and collect results that is being made here.

>Now you are gonna tell me we can fly to
>Neptune nearly 3 bilion miles away to test it ?

Currenly, there are no "commonly accepted" definitions that require a trip to planets themselves. If you and I decide to create a definition requiring such a test (and I won't as there's no need) you can pay for the trip. :-)

>The problem with science is the rules are curve fitted.
>The minority voted to change the criteria of a planet
>and now presto it is not one. What about the 95%
>who were not there to vote ?

LOL -- the above isn't an example of "curve fitting". You may not like how it's done, but still ... not curve fitting. The fact that you aren't knowledgable enough about the simple term to even use it correctly may have something to do with the reason why they didn't ask you for your input.

>So what we have is a small group writing down
>criteria and now they tell the other majority to
>follow what they wrote.

Nope -- that's is where you misunderstand science. What they are telling you, is to *read* their findings and see if you can find flaws. *That's what published science is all about*. Find the flaws and publish them. If enough people try and can't find the flaws, it becomes *for now* commonly accepted science.

>If that does not sound like religion then I
>don't know what does.

It's not surprising that you don't know what does.

JB
 
Me:
>You have NO IDEA what more "treasure" (remember,
>treasure is metaphorical here) would do for you -- it
>could change your life in ways you never imagined.

V00:
>And so could God.

A: You really need to make up your mind whether your going to stick with your "opportunity cost" metaphor. You keep turning it on and off from post to post depending on whether it fits your needs. Off -- on -- off -- on -- off -- on.

B. Since it happens to be "on" for your last post, I'll ask the obvious question ... "Which God?" I have no doubt that you will not turn it "off".

JB
 
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