For my Christians Friends

[stu]

Quote from volente_00:

So basically, you are saying God could appear and nothing it did would constitute proof enough to convince you.
Or, that nothing in science can be used to test for the existence of a higher power.

No, that's what you say I'm saying, that's not what I said.

Quote from volente_00:

In your own closed little mind, nothing could convince you because you have placed belief in the atheism religion for so long that there is no way in hell you would admit you were wrong even with proof.

Wrong again. That's what you've made up, it's not what I said and therefore has no bearing on reality.

This is what I am saying.
I can propose a very clear and simple test, based on fact and the scientific method which would convince enough to constitute proof.

You are the one who cannot provide any proof.


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Quote from volente_00:

In your own closed little mind

Quote from volente_00:

Imagine that, more ad hominem, seems to be a common response from close minded people when you back them into a corner with the truth.

Is it religion which teaches you how to lower yourself down to that level of self-contradiction and hypocrisy all in one sentence. Or can you manage it by yourself?

 

[stu]

Quote from neophyte321:

yeah, exactly ... perfection, like god, has never revealed itself

yeah, exactly, that would be because.... like perfection god don't exist.

 

[neophyte321]

Quote from stu:

yeah, exactly, that might be because.... like perfection god don't exist.

pie r squared ... or a perfect circle, does it or does it not exist?

 

[DerekD]

Quote from neophyte321:

pie r squared ... or a perfect circle, does it or does it not exist?

A relative measure. It's called "perfect" because Pi = circumference/diameter. An arbitrary designation that's relative to a circle whose circumference when divided by its diameter is not 3.14159.

Perfection is therefore some arbitrary and subjective line drawn in the sand that is always relative to some other arbitrary and subjective measure.

 

[volente_00]

Quote from DerekD:


But because atheism is really a conclusion based on all the evidence to date, or more succinctly, lack of evidence to date, to say that we're all born atheist is a stretch of what really defines an atheist.

So since the definition of God varies greatly and its own believers are not sure what would constitute evidence of one, then how could it even be possible to scientifically test for something of that nature ? Relgion with a fixed doctrine yes, but a deity no.


Atheism is an assertion based on lack of evidence.



What can be asserted / concluded without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

 

[volente_00]

For the argument on which God to choose.


Which road does one choose when presented with many choices that all lead to the same destination ?

 

[DerekD]

Quote from volente_00:

Atheism is an assertion based on lack of evidence.



What can be asserted / concluded without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

When a jury decides a case in which the defendant lacks supporting evidence for his or her contention to the contrary, are they coming to a conclusion or an assertion?

 

[DerekD]

Quote from volente_00:

For the argument on which God to choose.


Which road does one choose when presented with many choices that all lead to the same destination ?

You're asserting that the roads lead to the same destination. Yet, none of the world religions state that they do given their dissimilar descriptions of their destinations.

 

[stu]

Quote from neophyte321:

pie r squared ... or a perfect circle, does it or does it not exist?

No. pie r squared does not exist, except perhaps when mistaken for pi..

Pi r² does.
π r² is defined. It is proven. That way it exists.

Pi is an irrational number, it can be argued therefore a perfect circle does not exist.


Your point being what exactly?




Oh, and what DerekD said.

 

[DerekD]

Quote from volente_00:

So since the definition of God varies greatly and its own believers are not sure what would constitute evidence of one, then how could it even be possible to scientifically test for something of that nature ? Relgion with a fixed doctrine yes, but a deity no.

What you fail to realize, perhaps based on your own conjured notion of god, is that all of the world religions provide the grounds upon which to test for their gods. Their gods are distinctly unique and have unique manifestations and attributes.

Rather than list their uniqueness, just do a brief study of the world's religions, past and present, and you'll see just how easy it would be to test to see if any of these God's manifested are authentic. But all testing predicates on the manifestation of any of these gods in the material world as that is the only means in which we can test them. If they cannot manifest themselves in the material world, then they don't exist. There has to be interaction in the material world.