For most CV is just another flu but...

[trading_jean]

China did strict lock down on the whole country.

but lets take Wuhan the epicenter... 3000 dead on 10m population, so 300 per m, that is inline with italy and spain currently at about 150 per m, and showing signs of peaking, when all is said and done both prolly end up with 500 per m worst case.

so the US has no where near the population density of Italy / Spain... but even if we hit 500/m, that's 200k death tops, in the worst case scenario.... then compare to the 80k death from the 2018 flu.

you see this whole picture... just a flu+, or flu on steroids.

a real nothing burger if you consider the full out panic.

Why do you keep using that same completely wrong logic where you use numbers:
A) from countries/areas that went into a strict lock-down
B) that are still rising everyday

To extrapolate to US as an argument measures are useless and maximum 200k people can die?

Probably your 145 IQ that can't deal with simple things?

To make it clear: if these countries would not have gone into lock-down there would have been:

A) lots more infected
B) lots more that need urgent medical care
C) even a bigger shortage in IC beds

And combining B) with C): a much higher mortality rate. Whatever the exact number is.

Reason the mortality rate is lower in US at the moment probably is twofold: deaths always lag infections and US is still in the early stages, and the fact that there is more testing in US.

Try to focus all of your 145 IQ's on reading and understanding the above simple logic please, thanks

 

[dozu888]

Why do you keep using that same completely wrong logic where you use numbers:
A) from countries/areas that went into a strict lock-down
B) that are still rising everyday

To extrapolate to US as an argument measures are useless and maximum 200k people can die?

Probably your 145 IQ that can't deal with simple things?

To make it clear: if these countries would not have gone into lock-down there would have been:

A) lots more infected
B) lots more that need urgent medical care
C) even a bigger shortage in IC beds

And combining B) with C): a much higher mortality rate. Whatever the exact number is.

Reason the mortality rate is lower in US at the moment probably is twofold: deaths always lag infections and US is still in the early stages, and the fact that there is more testing in US.

Try to focus all of your 145 IQ's on reading and understanding the above simple logic please, thanks

this is so hard for you with that 110 iq points.

 

[southall]

Try to focus all of your 145 IQ's on reading and understanding the above simple logic please, thanks

Futile trying to be logical with him, he is desperate for a rally to save his ass, so he can get out of his losing positions most likely. He probably been buying the dip all the way down. Thinking this is all a big nothing burger for weeks now, because just 3000 people died in China.

 

[dozu888]

I am going on a massive ignore see if the experience improves a bit.... people are so dumb.

 

[Fain]

Liberal media continues with its lies. They assume the Federal government will not do anything and just let people die. Now, for the facts. This is from the Real Clear Politics website. I just copied figures for the major countries of the world. Italy, confirmed cases 92,472, deaths 10,023, 10.84%, Spain, confirmed cases 78,797, deaths 6,528, 8.28%, China, confirmed cases 81,439, deaths 3,300, 4.05%, Iran confirmed cases 38,309, deaths 2,640, 6.89%, France, confirmed cases 37,575, deaths 2,314, 6.16%, UK confirmed cases 17,089, deaths 1,019, 5.96%. Now, the US has 123,781 confirmed cases, deaths 2,229, 1.80% yet, liberal media sensationalize it and blame President Donald Trump for not doing enough? Nothing more than extreme liberal talking points. NY Governor Andrew Cuomo talking about millions being infected and needing 40,000 ventilators when he was caught hoarding like 16,000 ventilators? Doctors and nurses complain about the lack of medical equipment, medical supplies and ventilators yet, Andrew Cuomo is just plain hoarding it? To create a crises and let people die?

I didn't mind Trump on Energy, Taxation, and a bunch of Other policies before the Coronavirus but he's shitting the bed on Health-care & especially the Pandemic. Now the USA is #1 for infections and he STILL won't enact tough quarantine measures. America may have 2 million deaths by the time this is over.

Quarantine Measures that other Countries are Doing but America doesn't

1. Temperature checks of people by Police & Security
2. Widespread Thermal Imaging of citizens coming through Airports
3. Public Disclosure of Afflicted people with location
4. Tracking Wristbands for infected Coronavirus people
5. Using troops to spray disinfectant on Coronavirus hotspots

I'll check back in 10 days but I think the U.S. will overtake Italy by deaths and double it with number of infections.

 

[southall]

America may have 2 million deaths by the time this is over.

If the kill rate is 1% then yes. Then 2+ million could die. The US demographics mean it could be as high as 1% in the US.

 

[southall]

The looting and riots will start soon as people run out of money to buy food in major city areas.

Perhaps we should start the economy back up and end the lock downs?

If we do that there will be 2 million dead and over 10 million who will be really sick for a while, but they are probably going to die anyway if social order starts to break down.

 

[smallfil]

I didn't mind Trump on Energy, Taxation, and a bunch of Other policies before the Coronavirus but he's shitting the bed on Health-care & especially the Pandemic. Now the USA is #1 for infections and he STILL won't enact tough quarantine measures. America may have 2 million deaths by the time this is over.

Quarantine Measures that other Countries are Doing but America doesn't

1. Temperature checks of people by Police & Security
2. Widespread Thermal Imaging of citizens coming through Airports
3. Public Disclosure of Afflicted people with location
4. Tracking Wristbands for infected Coronavirus people
5. Using troops to spray disinfectant on Coronavirus hotspots

I'll check back in 10 days but I think the U.S. will overtake Italy by deaths and double it with number of infections.

US has 1.8% death rate compared to other countries on the planet including China which is 4.0%. Italy has a 10.84% death rate and Cuomo still still hoarding ventilators, medical equipment and supplies that doctors need. Liberal states are being hurt because of their governors hoarding medical equipment and supplies exposing doctors and nurses to infection. You guys are too dumb by a mile instead, relying on so called academic predictions of the worst case scenario? Only, relevant question, how many of those infected have died? How many have died in your countries because those slamming the US are mostly, foreigners? Go worry about yourselves fools! The higher death rates in your countries should worry you!

 

[Real Money]

There is going to be a total collapse in health services if this gets out of control.

The baby boomers were already putting stress on the medical system due to their generational cohort advancing in age (a big fat cash cow for insurers and the medical billing racket).

Now, the most successful boomers own property in the central metro of the major cities, the ground zero for spread. This is a problem.

Essentially, there is going to be a demand for health care services that cannot under any current capacity scenario be met and thus will not be met.

NYC, LA, Chicago, Boston, etc could become very serious, very fast once people start to realize that people are much more likely to die from COVID if they are living in a major metro area and/or a low funded ghetto.

This is crazy. The U.S. health care system is so ridiculously dysfunctional and utterly broken, that it cannot possibly cope with this kind of strain without some kind of crisis in billing, solvency, payments, staffing, resources.

Routine care/visits can cost upwards of 4 to 5 times that of care in other developed countries.
(Example: Simple in-person physician examination ~$365 USD + all associated fees)

Then, I just read that this virus is zoonotic with a human immunology hacking adaptation due to the fact that a bat's body heat spikes and is elevated during their nocturnal hunting flights.

This means that the coronavirus has adapted to withstand elevated mammalian body temperatures....

"Pathogens that have evolved in bats can withstand a high body temperature, so a human fever will not work as a defense mechanism."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-human-actions-intl/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold

I don't see any scenario where this problem just goes away.

The talk about deaths peaking or leveling off is pretty much bullshit. It's not happening.

We are so far from a V-shaped recovery it's almost like a joke now.

-Actually starting to think I might need to leave the US earlier than planned...

 

[Stamamarti]

There is going to be a....

-Actually starting to think I might need to leave the US earlier than planned...

—- but where will you go? Italy ??